Jedi Archive
Thread: Ok, what the Heck is this?!!....
Titan2000 wrote:
What annoys me is when I have the BH on low health/action/mind, he roots me, runs off 60m or so (or runs behind a few houses) and sits down, regens all his mind, and the fight starts all over again.
I really think all snares and roots should be given diminishing returns to stop perma-kiting.
If it makes you feel any better, Jedi do that to us all the time.
Then snare them back or use force suprression. It can be done. Sorry about the agressive response before, it's not really like me....
Drazharr wrote:
And this never happened to you on Kashykk while you were afk right ? (rolls eyes).
I have not lost to a BH yet after pub 24, andI am on tought server....butI had to earn my stripes in PvP environments before pub 24 .
Here is my advice:
Suck it up, all snares last 15 seconds except ED and ED can be easily cancled by rancor aid. Think up another excuse besides snare please..
Your post is factually wrong - Jedi (or anyone, actually) can be chain-snared now by players who even know half of what they are doing.
Suck up your advice.
Drazharr wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Cyborg-Shoryuken wrote:
(...)I don't even see how people are playing there Jedi since patch 24.(...)
+Cloak+
OK, cloak snares you, too. So you get to live a minute or so more until your force pool goes away.
Cloak is just waiting to die now, too, just like Avoid Incap.
In live +Cloak+ doesnt snare you. I can FR3 while cloaked.
Even if Cloak snared you, you can either get away or approach the BH without him being able to deal damage to you. As soon as you are within 32m you can actually start a fair fight (assuming you have a root attack), and the BH will have a hard time knowing how far away you are when you are cloaked.
The snare to cloak isnt set in stone, either - Ranger revamp seems to be quite some time ahead, and until then I count on somebody realizing that a snare on Cloak doesnt prevent escaping, but makes alpha-striking pretty hard. Far more effective than an auto-snare would be a 3 or 5 second warmup in which the Cloaker cant move, that way BHs / GCW opponents have it easier to get into the 20m range to prevent cloaking.
Would be a huge leap forward for Powers if all zip bars went away except the Choke one, and Cloak got a zip bar. And I say that as somebody that only has Powers 0400 (no zip bars at all).
TonieStark wrote:
Then snare them back or use force suprression. It can be done. Sorry about the agressive response before, it's not really like me....
Drazharr wrote:
And this never happened to you on Kashykk while you were afk right ? (rolls eyes).I have not lost to a BH yet after pub 24, and I am on tought server....but I had to earn my stripes in PvP environments before pub 24 .
Here is my advice:
Suck it up, all snares last 15 seconds except ED and ED can be easily cancled by rancor aid. Think up another excuse besides snare please..
Your post is factually wrong - Jedi (or anyone, actually) can be chain-snared now by players who even know half of what they are doing.
Suck up your advice.
Any BH worth his salt is using a rifle (even if he doesnt have rifle skills) and perma-snaring you from 40+m. Because of the range you cannot counter the snares.
I said it before and I'l say it again.
Rancor Aid is not a solution it is a pacifier.
The CU was advertised as the fix to dependencies on buffs, arnmor, foods... It was said that after the cu we would be able to play this game right from logging in and that while those items may enhance your gamepleay they would not be needed.
Unles you consider dieing playing a game. all those items are needed still. There is too many dependencies on those items and we are no better today than 6 months ago. The drink was made to pacify you so that the unbalanced game would appear differently and the few who always side with them would counter with this excuse.
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FYI Powers has zip bars on three attacks, and Choke is not one of them.
They are:
Force Lightning
Force Area Lightning
Force Strike
The bad part about the zip bars on these three attacks is that they are the highest damage attacks Powers has (400 - 900ish in pvp), and having to stand still to use your ranged attacks negates most of the value associated with being a ranged profession.
Imagine if every ranged attack that did more than 400 damage required the BH to stand still for five to eight seconds in order to complete their attack.
Buku
Naritus
EmporersFist wrote:
KammaRocca wrote:
dubber2558 wrote:
First off, I'm writting this in hopes that I get forum banned, atleast I know that someone from SOE will have read my post!Couldn't stand the shouting so I turned it down a little.
Turned it back up for him.
Now, I've been playing my jedi for over a year (and 2 years total in game) and watched and said very little as I have been nerfed into oblivion!!!
So your method is to save all your crying for one huge hissyfit? Great job, by the way.
Should he just go around and mouth people instead?
Well, Thank you SOE for giving me back my life! I **edit**ING HATE THIS GAME NOW AND I HATE THIS RECENT PUB! You have published pure and utter crap since the CU!!!
If anyone's actually reading this, pay attention to the reasons he gives for hating the game:
Reasons he hates game:
1)He spent approx 12-18 months, maybe more if he is a pre-cu jedi grinding to get where he is and would have been killed by a person who spent maybe 3 weeks grinding his character. It was a n00b BH taking down a vet jedi.
2) He now has to go out and buy a drink and drink it to be able to escape from someone who is chain rooting him, then kiting him to death. Had he not had this drink he would have been beaten simply on the basis that he could not catch up to the BH to hit him because of the chain snaring.
3) He has to run from a temp he use to beat because if he stays he will be kited to death.
4) He is full temp and can't take these guys. Newb Jedi stand no chance.
I just had a run in with a MCM/MBH and 0004 pistoleer. I have never lost to a MCM/BH before pub 24 and just about got my A$$ handed to me by a newb BH ( he told me I was his 3rd mark, EVER!) I had to KD, root, run and break combat to call a swoop to run away! I honestly feel bad for the little paddies now, as I have a 720 mod DPS saber and couldn't even come close to killing him. Between thyroid and ED I never had a chance.
Never lost to a MBH/MCM and still haven't and still being a baby about it. Wow. An entire whine just because he could have lost for once. And you didn't have a chance because . . .
"Between thyroid and ED I never had a chance."
He can now be chain rooted. Making it MUCH tougher to run and catch up and fight back. All the BH has to do is kite you then let you get close to snare you again then take off. And because you can't use FR or Burst Run to cancel out even PART of the snare... You cannot catch the BH kiting you. Now that there is chain snaring, you CAN'T catch the BH.
Ohh, and I shouldn't have to pop a food or drink or w/e rancor aid is, to take down a BH!
And why should you not have to pop a food or drink or whatever? Should you just get some magical ability to counter ED that completely negates another player's abilities every time? Using a food is a great way to even things out.
They should at least have the option to pick it up as a skill in their temp as with stun recovery, and dizzy recovery. Snared is a state just like dizzy and stunned.
Speaking of which, why should you get a counter at all? There's no counter for root is there? You'd flip out if suddendly burst run completely eliminated root. Be glad you get a counter at all and stop being a stupid baby.
Then I guess there should be a food for KD huh? It only makes sense by your logic. Why should someone just have the magical ability to cancel out my KD?
I realize this is a rant but this is the only way I could relieve my anger w/o throwing my monitor out the window! I'm not asking for jedi to be "uber" but for god's sake this is STUPID! I now am utterly disgusted with this game and don't forsee me logging my jedi on for quite some time!
So you're just going to play on your alt? Way to show your anger.
What would u rather him do?
/hi5 to the DEVS for screwing up my favorite game!
Anything that cuts down the number of Jedi running around is good enough for me.
Sounds like one of those whiners that wants to get rid of jedi because he gets destroyed by every single one he faces, and is glad for the new pub because now he thinks he has a chance.
A truly exceptional job! I didn't realize you could screw this game up so BAD! PLEASE FORUM band me and show everyone that all you care about is the money in your pocket and not the greatness of this game!
So in summary, the game is broken because someone else's ability works now. Incredible. Just incredible.
The game is broken because now MCM/MBH can sucessfully keep a player, who is forced into PvP btw, to stay snared the whole time unless they carry a magical potion with them which lets them run again. Any competant BH/MCM can just sit back and chain snare the jedi then kite them until they are dead, no matter how powerful the jedi is.
/endrant
in world of warcraft there is something called diminishing returns...why the hell soe dont implements this for snare / roots?? for example when druid roots you and kites you in wow...he cant do it forever. each root he gets lasts a lot less time. All CC abilities shall have diminish returns cos when player cant move whole fight...something is just wrong...and it isnt player
oh i know why soe cant...cos that would be good for jedis and they want you to quit ppl
PS: most CC abilities in wow break upon damage and thats is what i like on wow too...ability that player can react...and dont be kited by some noobs like most BHs are (respect to those who arent using imba templates and play for fun)
maby you ask why i dont play wow now? i do it
but i have still soe forum account Message Edited by ScorpioSVK on 10-24-2005 02:22 PM
Message Edited by ScorpioSVK on 10-24-2005 02:28 PM
DigitalSpider wrote:
Rancor Aid
buy it carry it around
Use it after you've been rooted and are under elctro drain to run if you choose.
I bought some rancor aid yesterday. IMO the key to successful pvp is readiness and competence. I bought it for 225k for a crate of 25. Yes. The initial chef's will rob you blind. But I think it's worth the 450k in xp I would lose.