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Thread: Jedi must be able to since Danger (BH and BH Droids)

DerianFeyde
Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:27 am
#53

Jealous? What a nerd assumption. Jealousy is not the reason the majority of BHs want to hunt Jedi. Hunting another PC is fun, if there were PC bounties for other people than Jedi, I'd be happy to hunt them to. Right now, it just happens to be Jedi. It's what the BH profession is for just like the JEdi profession is for...killing stuff with a glowstick?



Fayde Traedrol
Master Bounty Hunter
DerianFeyde
Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:30 am
#54

In the current time period, the force is not enough in balance for Jedi to be able to sense the future. Not to mention, not every Jedi could..just ones extremely attuned to the Force. Yoda, etc...

One of the reasons permadeath was removed, was because the droids were going to start working as they should be. Average Jedi will probably only get on the bounties once a week anyway, which will be regenerated. If you die to NPCs in the meantime, well, that's another arguement.



Fayde Traedrol
Master Bounty Hunter
JediNerfherder
Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:35 am
#55






DerianFeyde wrote:
Jealous? What a nerd assumption. Jealousy is not the reason the majority of BHs want to hunt Jedi. Hunting another PC is fun, if there were PC bounties for other people than Jedi, I'd be happy to hunt them to. Right now, it just happens to be Jedi. It's what the BH profession is for just like the JEdi profession is for...killing stuff with a glowstick?





Sir, i have seen you post several times, and you do seem to conduct yourself in an intelligent fashion and as far as it goes I've respected quite a few of your posts.. and your correct on this one for a portion of the BH's out there.. However, i have seen too many people working towards the BH professions blatantly saying "I look at it this way, if i cant be a Jedi, ill hunt and kill them" and it would be correct to say that they are jealous of those that have unlocked thier fscs.. This guy is simply assuming that all BH's are from that type of crowd.... However, this being said, you have my nomination to take over Tanks role *grin*


RabidEwok2
Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:41 am
#56

Everyone knows what a jedi will do when "sensing danger". Logoff. That's why this idea won't work.




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Nef01
Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:05 am
#57

Oh, youll sence the bh alright, youll since you have just been deathblowed, what more do you need
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TheZer0
Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:20 am
#58

I beleive that making a punishment of not being able to log for any period if you try to log while a bh is tracking you to be completely idiotic. This is a game we are talking about. Are you saying that if a bh is hunting you and you were about to log to go somewhere you have the choice of either standing and leaving waiting for the bh to show up and kill your afk jedi(which by the bhs Ive talked to would have no problem doing since they are the type with absolutly no honor) or cancelling your rl appointment just so you have a chance? its not right and its not fair and it forces the game to take precident over everything else. And then of course there would be jedi floating in every major lake just to avoid bounties. oh ya that makes alot of sense.


I agree we have it too easy right now and droids should be activated. but atleast when you do it make a padawan which is about the equivelent of leveling bh 10x able to have a 50 50 shot of beating them when you make those probes active. jedi are supposed to be masters of defending themselves not the equivelent of a midlevel brawler.


Imo the best thing isto have droids tell bhs what planet and maybe a general area of a quarter of the map but give jedi no warning as to a bounty. That way both parties have to do some actual work instead of the bh having the finding process automated and the jedi being blind deaf and dumb intil they have a lighting bolt shooting past their head. the jedi should stay weary but the bhs that want the most lucrative and difficult bounties have to do some actual investigation rather than press a button. plus if they know the exact loc its much easier for the bh and their freind the commando, the tka, the swordsman, and the master doc to all close in on you at the same time and how is that fair? Considering what they are taking from the jedi it shouldn't be a point click operation.



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Flashya
Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:29 am
#59

"You sense a disturbance in the Force"


nuff said.



Jedi characters could have their character 'kept live' for a certain period of time should they try and log off. to be able to log off successfully, a jedi would have to leave the immediate vacinity/planet to be deemed as 'safe'.







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LordPhate
Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:08 am
#60

hey all just wanted to voice my thought here,



i say, in publish seven (7) jedi should be given a Sensing Meter Bar. (SMB) and as that jedi advances in the skill tree his ability to sense a BH, mercenary, stalking foe etc. should greaten on a scaled basis configured by our DEV team. Also, the ability to sense a bh coming / looking for you should be determined also, by the jedi and the new tracking droid. if a bh uses a certain droid to track the jedi, the jedi being higher in the tree or so should be able to sense that droids presence as soon as it spots him or from a distance depending on the jedi's skill development in that tree or what have you. now, im not saying, the jedi should get a 20 minute window. no, im just saying in all actuality any jedi would "feel" the disturbance. but at least give them a meter / skill tree to level that determines how well he/she can actually do so. and also, try not to make it 4billion exp to level anyways, you bounty hunters shouldnt complain at all, i mean jesus guys, you have confusion shot / fire knockdown / eye shot. you use that combo on any jedi in the padawaan tree / initiate tree. face it, youll have another padawaan braid in your possession. also, i feel the bh should have something like a stalk meter bar. (smb) an ability to stalk their prey/target to the point of frightening it. i mean if you saw boba fett stalking you, would you run? maybe my ideas are vague and ignorant but o well, their mine. have fun guys, btw, just finished prof 29 :/ no luck lol. working 30 and 31. take care all. may the force be with you.





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Faraed
Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:59 am
#61

Will the incessant jedi whining ever cease? Havent you guys been given enough? Or will you not be happy until your toons are the most uberest of the uberly uber?


Originally you guys were sposed to have permadeath - Devs removed it


Originally you were supposed to have perma tef to anyone in the game - Devs changed their design


Originally the game system itself was supposed to hunt jedi along with players, storm troopers and even darth vader (who would be unbeatable if you actuallycaught his attention) - The devs never implemented it


Originally the unlocking system was supposed to be so difficult it there would be very few jedi around at all - The devs implemented an easier system


Jedi run around pretty much unchecked. Jedi bounties and the ability of the BH to get the jump on the jedi without warning is currently the only thing separating this game from being Jedi Knight 4. Although its not a completely ridiculous request, some of the details are.


My advice, if you are going to ask for something like this, do it realistically. Jedi can get their "spidey sense" when bh's get within 100m of them, just about attack range. I didnt see Obi Wan cut off that BH chicks arm in the cantina in ep2 until she was about 1 second from shooting him in the back. If anything, its a last second sense that can give you the chance to defend yourself in battle better not something to be used from 1000m away so a jedi can run.


You guys just need to accept the fact that this isnt Jedi Knight 4 where jedi run the galaxy and that in order to maintain that balance, certain aspects of the game need to make it extremely difficult for jedi to come to power. It is the only way.



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LordPhate
Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:07 am
#62

nice, agreed. nice points. but in that case, i strongly believe, jedi should be given more defenses for that nasty dizzy/kd that kills anyone if they fall and being a new jedi, you will fall. you were a tkm, you know very well how potent kd/dizzy is, what fun would it be to get that every time a bh gets within 35 meters so he can whip out a carbine and pwn any jedi. more defenses = better gameplay, fair fight, FUN. i think its rediculous how fast people fall and dont get up, especially new jedi, so how can u level a jedi up if everytime u log on (kd - dizzy - eyeshot spammage.) oh well, the DEVS will do what they want either way. i just hope its in the best interests of the gaming comunity and not just a perticular class (jedi / bh).



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Unit_
Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:53 am
#63






Faraed wrote:

Proof that you're an idiot.





Didn't read past the first sentence and you already summed up your point of view.
Tybar
Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:53 am
#64

I guess I would be satisfied if Jedi and BH had a TEF to each other. The fact that Jedi cannot take the first shot is a HUGE disadvantage.


I can already tell you exactly how it will go:


BH release Tracking Droid - UPDATE and start heading there - release another droid when singal loss to get an update - find that you are within 150 - 200m and begin find your target. Stalk the target for a few seconds and Spam FireKD, Move in with either Scatter or LLC (15M) and EyeShot or TorsoShot or LightningSingle2.


Now if the Jedi could attack as soon as the target is spotted it would be better - more fair.


Are BH opposed to a fair fight? Am I to guess that any BH invloved in GCW PvP would never declare Overt status so that they could TEF attack all the time?


Or is the BH proffession such that it can tolerate a one to one fight when both parties can attack openly?


Based on the posts here in the Jedi forum, BH want nothing less than to be able to kill a Jedi with little or no danger to themselves.


While I wasa BH for awhile (twice in fact) I remember reading the posts in the BH forums and how everybody always talked about BH being a solo profession and only concerned with the mark and the money. Yet while being hunted, I rarely have seen a BH working alone.


As I said before, some sort of sense ability would be nice, but more importantly, the ability to strike first would be an accetpable alternative.





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seiv
Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:25 am
#65

JediNerfwhatever scribbled...


Actually Tanks, for a Correspondent you surely show a huge lack of intelligence. First off its Sense not SInce... Secondly the reason people do not see Nightsisters spawning on them as you so put it. The world does not pre-load, the Nightsisters are actually there already it just takes a few seconds for your CLIENT software to receive that information and report it back to you. All you are simply doing is talking about a game design flaw, and something that should be addressed, and actually something that has no relevance to this thread at all. It's no wonder that the BH Community is so poorly informed of whats happening with thier profession, and what is actually happening in the game... Perhaps I'll swap over to the BH profession just so i can legitimently go into the BH forumn and raise a stink about the way you conduct yourself and get a new Correspondent to take your place, I've actually seen a few BH's in this forumn that would probably do a far better job.


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Seiv



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