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Thread: CLOAK USERS: Do not accept the Snare, FIGHT BACK!!!
MX13 wrote:
You're just not accepting the facts. Would you Alpha Strike with half a force bar?(BTW...this right here..why should you be able to "AlphaStrike" without consequence? You should be reduced in some way to use this ability, every other alpha strike has a downside cloak shouldas well) WEARE REDUCED!!! WE GIVE UP POWER FOR THISABILITY.I'm NOT satisfied with a Snare, because it makes Cloak useless, and my template useless. I don't use it to escape, I don't need to. I use it to sneak... The other fixes fix the Dugeon issues / loot issues. You just don't like Cloak, you don't care if it's balanced.
If you want to talk about nerfing Cloak, please do it on another Thread.
No i never said it needed to be nerfed and if you wish to blame anyone for the "fixes" blame yourself and fellow cloakers.
You are accusing me of causing this? Please, you'reacting likea Jerk at this point.
FACT: if you didn't use it in conjunction with forcerun2/3 to pull agro and run high end mobs out for easy dungeoning..the snare wouldn't be there. simple.
FACT: I don't have Force Run or ANY Enhancer. Completely short-sighted on your part. This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
FACT: had other jedi not used the /cloak /forceheal other, to an unbalancing advantage, you could have kept heal while cloaked..
FACT: This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
FACT: launching a ship, buying a ticket, whatever that requires a terminal access...without worry of EVER getting attacked, meaning if your overt and leaving the planet after escaping or a bh is waiting while you browse the bazaar, that is why you can no longer use terms while cloaked.
FACT: This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
as i said i have no qualms with cloak, when people use it i have no problems even now..they spent the skillpoints on it.
ok so you can't sit and channel nonstop while waiting to get that first strike in...big deal..why should you be able to sit there at full force w/o some sort of reduction for being completely invisible to everyone.
FACT: I never did this. This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
oh..alpha strike with half a forcebar...lets see...
m-def..to tank alot of attackers...AI..requires 1k force per use, master skill
FACT: Running through the MOP with Cloak on will cost you 66% of your force NOW. You can't compare the two.
m-enh..to escape with the best success rate..forcerun3, takes 200 force to turn on, you get the drawback of little defenses, eats force constantly, and costs a decent chunk of action as well
now lets see...cloak...0400 powers...currently you can use it with impunity...fight till 5% force root and run 20m then cloak and channel fully while sitting next to your opponent(s), sit in theed starport surrounded by npcs/players and have a full forcebar when you come out 30 minutes later...heal your buddy while cloaked without comming out of cloak....macro it to afk youself ANYWHERE, and avoid getting bh'd unless 2 attackers get you with AOEs.....run into the DWB..pull out EVERYTHING channel and stand there while your friends go down to make armor/loot. yup i can't see why they would need to fix this ability at all.
I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER FIXES!!! I'VE SAID IT A DOZEN TIMES!!! TheSnare is nothing but PUNISHMENT! The other fixes take care of these issues!
Consider this: What does this fix? Now people will FR1 away, Cloak and come back Snared. Or, FR away and Cloak to get away. Increasing the range to 45m would fix the issue, a Snare just punishes ALL Cloak users, and it's clear that's what you want.To punish me and other honest Cloak users. IT ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING! Balancing Cloak is overdue, but punishing us is ridiculous.
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Message Edited by MX13 on 09-21-2005 08:19 PM
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p897t98 wrote:
I support the snare. Cloak as it is, is rediculous.
JustAGuyWho wrote:
p897t98 wrote:
I support the snare. Cloak as it is, is rediculous.
QFE, this guy is a nub.
Hey man, off topic but I had to say: Great Sig!
I'm from NO, and have family just across the river who lost everything.I helped put together trucks of supplies to go down, donated as much as I couldand would have gone down myself but I'm taking care of my mother.
It's my home and my heart aches everyday. Please read his Sig and do what you can. Every bit helps. These families, and my family, have lost everything. Some people, like my family, have others to turn to but most don't. Do whatever you can. Karma can be a good thing 
Feel Free to copy and use it as your own for a few months, thats what im doing.
MX13 wrote:
JustAGuyWho wrote:
p897t98 wrote:
I support the snare. Cloak as it is, is rediculous.
QFE, this guy is a nub.
Hey man, off topic but I had to say: Great Sig!
I'm from NO, and have family just across the river who lost everything.I helped put together trucks of supplies to go down, donated as much as I couldand would have gone down myself but I'm taking care of my mother.
It's my home and my heart aches everyday. Please read his Sig and do what you can. Every bit helps. These families, and my family, have lost everything. Some people, like my family, have others to turn to but most don't. Do whatever you can. Karma can be a good thing
MX13 wrote:
Would you Alpha Strike with half a force bar?(BTW...this right here..why should you be able to "AlphaStrike" without consequence? You should be reduced in some way to use this ability, every other alpha strike has a downside cloak shouldas well) WEARE REDUCED!!! WE GIVE UP POWER FOR THISABILITY.you are reduced, yes, you have the same defense as an enhancer...and our master skill still has a bad drawback to it..just turning it on and off fast eats our force if we aren't careful. and considering most powers have 0400 enh or 0040 def..you have defense if you wish to get it, the same as my menh/mls template. Your damage output in a group is unparalled in terms of range+output. sabers might hurt worse 1 on 1, and thats a big MIGHT
No i never said it needed to be nerfed and if you wish to blame anyone for the "fixes" blame yourself and fellow cloakers.
You are accusing me of causing this? Please, you'reacting likea Jerk at this point.
Sorry no, i should have worded this better, and i appologize for the way you took it, i simply mean the missuse and abuse of cloak, by jedi, not you in specific..this one was my bad and i appologize for the misunderstanding.
FACT: if you didn't use it in conjunction with forcerun2/3 to pull agro and run high end mobs out for easy dungeoning..the snare wouldn't be there. simple.
FACT: I don't have Force Run or ANY Enhancer. Completely short-sighted on your part. This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
i never said it was a perfect fix..just the reason the snare was made into it. Like i said the increased range or a timer after combat had ended...30s-90s would have been better, but still snare works to fix this.
FACT: had other jedi not used the /cloak /forceheal other, to an unbalancing advantage, you could have kept heal while cloaked..
FACT: This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
yes i know...i was a little upset about your presumption that i was here to flame and was posting all teh reasons why the cloak fixes were taking place. didn't mean THIS is why the snare is needed, my fault for not taking the time to explain.
FACT: launching a ship, buying a ticket, whatever that requires a terminal access...without worry of EVER getting attacked, meaning if your overt and leaving the planet after escaping or a bh is waiting while you browse the bazaar, that is why you can no longer use terms while cloaked.
FACT: This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
up a line..
as i said i have no qualms with cloak, when people use it i have no problems even now..they spent the skillpoints on it.
ok so you can't sit and channel nonstop while waiting to get that first strike in...big deal..why should you be able to sit there at full force w/o some sort of reduction for being completely invisible to everyone.
FACT: I never did this. This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
and again i never meant YOU in perticular did this. simply this is the reason WHY, its sad how the actions of cheap jedi caused cloak to be reduced for those who play it honorably. This is jsut the omst common thing people see with cloak, this and running with 200 force and escaping w/o penalty.
oh..alpha strike with half a forcebar...lets see...
m-def..to tank alot of attackers...AI..requires 1k force per use, master skill
FACT: Running through the MOP with Cloak on will cost you 66% of your force NOW. You can't compare the two.
I never have had cloak, never cared to, but seeing how people have stood around in theed when there were40 ppl and countless npcsaround and still had force to fight on once they came out..something was DEFENITLY WRONG. and i mean waiting there for 5-10 minutes before fighting.
m-enh..to escape with the best success rate..forcerun3, takes 200 force to turn on, you get the drawback of little defenses, eats force constantly, and costs a decent chunk of action as well
now lets see...cloak...0400 powers...currently you can use it with impunity...fight till 5% force root and run 20m then cloak and channel fully while sitting next to your opponent(s), sit in theed starport surrounded by npcs/players and have a full forcebar when you come out 30 minutes later...heal your buddy while cloaked without comming out of cloak....macro it to afk youself ANYWHERE, and avoid getting bh'd unless 2 attackers get you with AOEs.....run into the DWB..pull out EVERYTHING channel and stand there while your friends go down to make armor/loot. yup i can't see why they would need to fix this ability at all.
I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER FIXES!!! I'VE SAID IT A DOZEN TIMES!!! TheSnare is nothing but PUNISHMENT! The other fixes take care of these issues!
and again...i said its not NEEDED, but its a decent enough fix on it to make the jedi who didn't use it like you do, use it as a first strike instead of a "I live" button.
Consider this: What does this fix? Now people will FR1 away, Cloak and come back Snared. Or, FR away and Cloak to get away. Increasing the range to 45m(i said this would be better, but that the snare works for me as well, even tho it is overkill)would fix the issue, a Snare just punishes
ALL Cloak users, and it's clear that's what you want.To punish me and other honest Cloak users. IT ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING! Well, balancing Cloak is overdue, but punishing us is ridiculous.
its not fair...sure i'll agree. never said it was i simply said that the fixes are in place for a reason, and that jedi misusing cloak caused the "fixes". AGAIN not you in perticular. Sorry for making it sound like a personal attack on you, i seriously didn't mean it to be one, i was listing the FACTS why things were changed, for good or for bad they had reasons....besides..since when did SOE use a nerf twig? they swing the entire freaking bat full on everytime..youknow this by now.
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Sakon Tareni
LeKKu
Message Edited by MX13 on 09-21-200508:19 PM
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Message Edited by SakonTareni on 09-21-2005 10:39 PM
MX13 wrote:
Nice attitude. Go start your own thread if you don't like Cloak. The Snare is not needed with the other fixes, abd those of us who have it would like to save it. I already had to give up MDef due to the AI Snare, and I'm not going through this again.
ty..amen
QuiJonOz wrote:
MX13 wrote:
Nice attitude. Go start your own thread if you don't like Cloak. The Snare is not needed with the other fixes, abd those of us who have it would like to save it. I already had to give up MDef due to the AI Snare, and I'm not going through this again.
Assuming that you are hoping the the Devs pay attention to this thread, it's only logical that those who support balancing Cloak would also post here so that the Devs would see both sides of the issue.
The only ones Jedi have to blame are other Jedi... if this ability hadn't have been abused, it probably wouldn't be getting adjusted.
SakonTareni wrote:
MX13 wrote:
Would you Alpha Strike with half a force bar?(BTW...this right here..why should you be able to "AlphaStrike" without consequence? You should be reduced in some way to use this ability, every other alpha strike has a downside cloak shouldas well) WEARE REDUCED!!! WE GIVE UP POWER FOR THISABILITY.you are reduced, yes, you have the same defense as an enhancer...and our master skill still has a bad drawback to it..just turning it on and off fast eats our force if we aren't careful. and considering most powers have 0400 enh or 0040 def..you have defense if you wish to get it, the same as my menh/mls template. Your damage output in a group is unparalled in terms of range+output. sabers might hurt worse 1 on 1, and thats a big MIGHT
No i never said it needed to be nerfed and if you wish to blame anyone for the "fixes" blame yourself and fellow cloakers.
You are accusing me of causing this? Please, you'reacting likea Jerk at this point.
Sorry no, i should have worded this better, and i appologize for the way you took it, i simply mean the missuse and abuse of cloak, by jedi, not you in specific..this one was my bad and i appologize for the misunderstanding.
FACT: if you didn't use it in conjunction with forcerun2/3 to pull agro and run high end mobs out for easy dungeoning..the snare wouldn't be there. simple.
FACT: I don't have Force Run or ANY Enhancer. Completely short-sighted on your part. This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
i never said it was a perfect fix..just the reason the snare was made into it. Like i said the increased range or a timer after combat had ended...30s-90s would have been better, but still snare works to fix this.
FACT: had other jedi not used the /cloak /forceheal other, to an unbalancing advantage, you could have kept heal while cloaked..
FACT: This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
yes i know...i was a little upset about your presumption that i was here to flame and was posting all teh reasons why the cloak fixes were taking place. didn't mean THIS is why the snare is needed, my fault for not taking the time to explain.
FACT: launching a ship, buying a ticket, whatever that requires a terminal access...without worry of EVER getting attacked, meaning if your overt and leaving the planet after escaping or a bh is waiting while you browse the bazaar, that is why you can no longer use terms while cloaked.
FACT: This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
up a line..
as i said i have no qualms with cloak, when people use it i have no problems even now..they spent the skillpoints on it.
ok so you can't sit and channel nonstop while waiting to get that first strike in...big deal..why should you be able to sit there at full force w/o some sort of reduction for being completely invisible to everyone.
FACT: I never did this. This is going to be fixed WITHOUT the Snare.
and again i never meant YOU in perticular did this. simply this is the reason WHY, its sad how the actions of cheap jedi caused cloak to be reduced for those who play it honorably. This is jsut the omst common thing people see with cloak, this and running with 200 force and escaping w/o penalty.
oh..alpha strike with half a forcebar...lets see...
m-def..to tank alot of attackers...AI..requires 1k force per use, master skill
FACT: Running through the MOP with Cloak on will cost you 66% of your force NOW. You can't compare the two.
I never have had cloak, never cared to, but seeing how people have stood around in theed when there were40 ppl and countless npcsaround and still had force to fight on once they came out..something was DEFENITLY WRONG. and i mean waiting there for 5-10 minutes before fighting.
m-enh..to escape with the best success rate..forcerun3, takes 200 force to turn on, you get the drawback of little defenses, eats force constantly, and costs a decent chunk of action as well
now lets see...cloak...0400 powers...currently you can use it with impunity...fight till 5% force root and run 20m then cloak and channel fully while sitting next to your opponent(s), sit in theed starport surrounded by npcs/players and have a full forcebar when you come out 30 minutes later...heal your buddy while cloaked without comming out of cloak....macro it to afk youself ANYWHERE, and avoid getting bh'd unless 2 attackers get you with AOEs.....run into the DWB..pull out EVERYTHING channel and stand there while your friends go down to make armor/loot. yup i can't see why they would need to fix this ability at all.
I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER FIXES!!! I'VE SAID IT A DOZEN TIMES!!! TheSnare is nothing but PUNISHMENT! The other fixes take care of these issues!
and again...i said its not NEEDED, but its a decent enough fix on it to make the jedi who didn't use it like you do, use it as a first strike instead of a "I live" button.
Consider this: What does this fix? Now people will FR1 away, Cloak and come back Snared. Or, FR away and Cloak to get away. Increasing the range to 45m(i said this would be better, but that the snare works for me as well, even tho it is overkill)would fix the issue, a Snare just punishes
ALL Cloak users, and it's clear that's what you want.To punish me and other honest Cloak users. IT ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING! Well, balancing Cloak is overdue, but punishing us is ridiculous.
its not fair...sure i'll agree. never said it was i simply said that the fixes are in place for a reason, and that jedi misusing cloak caused the "fixes". AGAIN not you in perticular. Sorry for making it sound like a personal attack on you, i seriously didn't mean it to be one, i was listing the FACTS why things were changed, for good or for bad they had reasons....besides..since when did SOE use a nerf twig? they swing the entire freaking bat full on everytime..youknow this by now.
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Sakon Tareni
LeKKu
Message Edited by MX13 on 09-21-200508:19 PM
Message Edited by MX13 on 09-21-200508:20 PM
Message Edited by SakonTareni on 09-21-2005 10:39 PM
All very well put.
I apologize as well. Your post did come across as personal and I responded as such.
It seems we actually agree on almost all points. I guess the only thing left to be said is this:
Is it right? When all of the other changes help us fix so many issues (and an easy fix is fo increase the range / CD timer) is it right for the Dev's to make such a reactionary change that is more punishment than fix?
We're at a point were we can effect a bad change before it is put into effect. I started this post to encourage our community to stand up for itself and try to change a bad decision by the Dev's that has no real impact other than to Punish Cloakers.
And I will stand up for any other needless nerfs any Jedi profession is threatened with. We can't just stand around and not speak up when something is wrong andCAN be better for our community.
MX13 wrote:
These things are good, so why do we need this? It's not necessary, it's just punishment because people are mad at the few Cloakers who have abused the ability.
mindspat wrote:
Cloak has about ruined the game. It needs _ALOT_ more then just a snare during use.
I'm glad to see that it will also recieve a new classification which will cause it to fail if a Jedi uses any of these:
Heal
Access terminal
Meditate
Transfer force
Mount/dismount
And this is just a few of it's fixes.
/agree 100%
I have no powers in my temp and probably never will, but it doesn't take a very high IQ to tell what is a practical adjustment vs another ridiculous nerf. If the devs must add a snare, at least lessen it with master or with amount of force acc.
QuiJonOz wrote:
MX13 wrote:
Nice attitude. Go start your own thread if you don't like Cloak. The Snare is not needed with the other fixes, abd those of us who have it would like to save it. I already had to give up MDef due to the AI Snare, and I'm not going through this again.
Assuming that you are hoping the the Devs pay attention to this thread, it's only logical that those who support balancing Cloak would also post here so that the Devs would see both sides of the issue.
The only ones Jedi have to blame are other Jedi... if this ability hadn't have been abused, it probably wouldn't be getting adjusted.
Scarface84 wrote:
u guys knew this was comin deal with it like mdef's have to deal with the AI nerf....enough said