Jedi Archive
Thread: CSR moves padawan outside of faction base so she can be attacked
Skwall
Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:54 pm
#53
Cendoth wrote:
Skwall wrote:
Do you not understand what I'm saying? Ok lets break this down for you, which option would you take if this "tactic" were to stay in place:
- Rebel Combatant BH attacks Imperial Combatant Jedi. Jedi runs into PVE base, and rebel BH has to take out the turrents and the NPCs before killing the jedi which has by then /sit, /logout.
- Imperial Combatant BH attacks Imperial Combatant Jedi. Jedi runs into PVE base, BH follows and kills his mark.
Which option would you choose? Its only a matter of time....
Also do you care to elaborate how I am "plain wrong?"
As I said, if faction was really there for a "reason" then why can't same faction jedi heal same faction jedi during a BHer attack or vice versa? Take it even a step further into PVE. NPCs won't help you against a krayt dragon unless they themselves get area attacked.
Let me explain then. Faction healing and helping was removed to prevent gank squads. If a same faction BH hunts you and chases you into a base then theres no help. I would certainly make sure everyone I know knew that this BH was a trashy same faction hunter but would otherwise say nothing to the BH. BOOHOO THE OPPOSITE FACTION BH CANT GET THE JEDI CUZ OF TURRETS. Let me shed another tear. Thats how faction works my friend. Any overt player can do the same thing to a opposite overt chasing em. Why do BHs get to circumvent that. Your a moron I'm not responding to your posts anymore. Go back and read the post that I QFEd.
hehe, you're funny, I like debating people like you. I'll even color code this one for you ok? Lets start from the top now shall we?
I don't understand what you mean by gank squads? A gank squad ganks players, healing a 1 vs. 1 situation doesn't have anything to do w/ ganking....unless you mean Grouptef, but then you'd have got your terminology wrong and still have no point because that's not relevant to this issue.
Then what's the point, that's what WILL happen if you continue w/ this so called "tactic."
What if they're were originally part of a rebel guild and openly changed just to conform to this tactic? Kind of like those that did back when the groupTEF system was still around.
Err..hence why BHs go on leave. Otherwise jedi would be placing turrents down in the middle of batte...
Because it is Jedi vs. BH, a separate system from the rest of the game, Jedi are separate from the game, as are BHers with their terminals and missions. And they're not circumventing anything. Jedi who choose to run into bases are. And if that isn't fixed then you will have BHers circumventing the system by hunting the same faction jedi.
Cendoth
Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:58 pm
#54
Told ya
Cendoth wrote:
TorqueMonster wrote:
OMG, shut up already. Idiots. I am quite sure the soldiers in Iraq would NEVER run to their front lines, if being pursued if they felt they needed to. Heck no Bubba! They would run right back into terrorist hands! Yep! If not, they be sploitin yes siree bob!
No wait, no no! Mr Solider you ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RUN TO A US EMBASSY if thats your chance of survival, sorry dude, stand in the street and die.
Yeah, that sounds good. No wait, even better. Solider at the front steps of his base, US Base, US Solider. We're sorry Soldier but Geneal CSR said its exploiting if we allow you to come in...
Some of you guys are the biddest zerolects I have ever seen.
QFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Now wait and watch them try and explain why this should be stopped anyways in technical terms."
Message Edited by Cendoth on 09-11-2005 05:35 PM
Message Edited by Cendoth on 09-11-2005 05:58 PM
Unika
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:02 pm
#55
First do not compare the US Army or Marines or any other military branch of any service to a game. If you don't have the guts to join don't try it. I was US Army Adv Recon for 5 and a half years. Let me tell you how combat goes.
You are on a line or in a squad with other soldiers you have spent your day with constantly over the last so many years. You trust them with your life as they do you, and that interdependancy means that you would not run. If you are a soldier you stand and fight till the retreat order is given, because not only is it your rear but the guy next to you, and they guy next to him down the line. One person doesn't do his job and several die.
Life and death do not warrant being compared to a video game. DO NOT TRIVIALIZE OUR SOLDIERS, weither you agree with the politics or not the soldiers are doing their job.
As with the running into a base... guess what. A base has been determined to be a player structure. This has been said earlier on the boards until it was removed for flames. Player structures are not supposed to be entered with a BH tef. BH, it happens, and it is not full and wide knowledge. Some people really do not know, and really I agree CSR should not have removed her, but told her what was going on and let her come out on her own or have a chance to do it on her terms.
It was and is crap, but do not compare it to Iraq. Unless you have been there or are there, you have no idea what is going on there.
You are on a line or in a squad with other soldiers you have spent your day with constantly over the last so many years. You trust them with your life as they do you, and that interdependancy means that you would not run. If you are a soldier you stand and fight till the retreat order is given, because not only is it your rear but the guy next to you, and they guy next to him down the line. One person doesn't do his job and several die.
Life and death do not warrant being compared to a video game. DO NOT TRIVIALIZE OUR SOLDIERS, weither you agree with the politics or not the soldiers are doing their job.
As with the running into a base... guess what. A base has been determined to be a player structure. This has been said earlier on the boards until it was removed for flames. Player structures are not supposed to be entered with a BH tef. BH, it happens, and it is not full and wide knowledge. Some people really do not know, and really I agree CSR should not have removed her, but told her what was going on and let her come out on her own or have a chance to do it on her terms.
It was and is crap, but do not compare it to Iraq. Unless you have been there or are there, you have no idea what is going on there.
Cendoth
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:06 pm
#56
Unika wrote:
First do not compare the US Army or Marines or any other military branch of any service to a game. If you don't have the guts to join don't try it. I was US Army Adv Recon for 5 and a half years. Let me tell you how combat goes.
You are on a line or in a squad with other soldiers you have spent your day with constantly over the last so many years. You trust them with your life as they do you, and that interdependancy means that you would not run. If you are a soldier you stand and fight till the retreat order is given, because not only is it your rear but the guy next to you, and they guy next to him down the line. One person doesn't do his job and several die.
Life and death do not warrant being compared to a video game. DO NOT TRIVIALIZE OUR SOLDIERS, weither you agree with the politics or not the soldiers are doing their job.
As with the running into a base... guess what. A base has been determined to be a player structure. This has been said earlier on the boards until it was removed for flames. Player structures are not supposed to be entered with a BH tef. BH, it happens, and it is not full and wide knowledge. Some people really do not know, and really I agree CSR should not have removed her, but told her what was going on and let her come out on her own or have a chance to do it on her terms.
It was and is crap, but do not compare it to Iraq. Unless you have been there or are there, you have no idea what is going on there.
Guess what. Apparently you have forgotten what you and the people fighting in Iraq have and are fighting for. ***FREEDOM*** Don't you dare try and tell people what to say under any guise. This defeats EVERYTHING they are fighting for.
DiamondJoeQuimby
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:14 pm
#57
Unika wrote:
First do not compare the US Army or Marines or any other military branch of any service to a game. If you don't have the guts to join don't try it. I was US Army Adv Recon for 5 and a half years. Let me tell you how combat goes.
You are on a line or in a squad with other soldiers you have spent your day with constantly over the last so many years. You trust them with your life as they do you, and that interdependancy means that you would not run. If you are a soldier you stand and fight till the retreat order is given, because not only is it your rear but the guy next to you, and they guy next to him down the line. One person doesn't do his job and several die.
Life and death do not warrant being compared to a video game. DO NOT TRIVIALIZE OUR SOLDIERS, weither you agree with the politics or not the soldiers are doing their job.
As with the running into a base... guess what. A base has been determined to be a player structure. This has been said earlier on the boards until it was removed for flames. Player structures are not supposed to be entered with a BH tef. BH, it happens, and it is not full and wide knowledge. Some people really do not know, and really I agree CSR should not have removed her, but told her what was going on and let her come out on her own or have a chance to do it on her terms.
It was and is crap, but do not compare it to Iraq. Unless you have been there or are there, you have no idea what is going on there.
Good gawd Unica, step away from the keyboard.
Nothing is trivializing REAL SOLDERS to be comparing or implying that REAL LIFE actions and reactions be a part of CONSTRUCTIVE REASONING in the AI of this or any other game.
Skwall
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:16 pm
#58
Cendoth wrote:
Guess what. Apparently you have forgotten what you and the people fighting in Iraq have and are fighting for. ***FREEDOM*** Don't you dare try and tell people what to say under any guise. This defeats EVERYTHING they are fighting for.
arg, now you just need to shut up.
He's simply stating that whether or not you believe in the war, you should still remember they are putting their lives on the line and ARE doing their job.
Unika
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:23 pm
#59
And not to use them to support your beliefs in a video game.
Of course if you would like them to have a guild named Semper Fidelis and be general jerks.. then by all means I will back down. What I am saying is do not compare the actions of pixles to men and women fighting and trying to stay alive. The comparisons that were made were offendive IMO! I did not tell you what to say, but to consider how you say it TYVM.
Of course if you would like them to have a guild named Semper Fidelis and be general jerks.. then by all means I will back down. What I am saying is do not compare the actions of pixles to men and women fighting and trying to stay alive. The comparisons that were made were offendive IMO! I did not tell you what to say, but to consider how you say it TYVM.
Message Edited by Unika on 09-11-2005 05:26 PM
Cendoth
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:28 pm
#60
Unika wrote:
And not to use them to support your beliefs in a video game.
Guess what Unika I do support the troops. But there is nothing wrong with using a comparison. My orginal point was not to take a specific side of the war but to remind you that all the troops who serve in our military ultimately do so to preserve American freedoms regardless for whatever reason they joined. Those reasons include the right to free speech last time I checked. So in a sense you are the one denigrating our troops by telling people what to say. Heck someone could say vile insulting things about the troops and you still have no right to tell them not to do so. You need to chill out and reevaluate why you are serving in the military if you are. Discipline has its place in the military but you can't tell people what to do here.
Cendoth
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:34 pm
#61
Unika wrote:
And not to use them to support your beliefs in a video game.
Of course if you would like them to have a guild named Semper Fidelis and be general jerks.. then by all means I will back down. What I am saying is do not compare the actions of pixles to men and women fighting and trying to stay alive. The comparisons that were made were offendive IMO! I did not tell you what to say, but to consider how you say it TYVM.
Message Edited by Unika on 09-11-200505:26 PM
First do not compare the US Army or Marines or any other military branch of any service to a game. If you don't have the guts to join don't try it. I was US Army Adv Recon for 5 and a half years. Let me tell you how combat goes.
You are on a line or in a squad with other soldiers you have spent your day with constantly over the last so many years. You trust them with your life as they do you, and that interdependancy means that you would not run. If you are a soldier you stand and fight till the retreat order is given, because not only is it your rear but the guy next to you, and they guy next to him down the line. One person doesn't do his job and several die.
Life and death do not warrant being compared to a video game. DO NOT TRIVIALIZE OUR SOLDIERS, weither you agree with the politics or not the soldiers are doing their job.
As with the running into a base... guess what. A base has been determined to be a player structure. This has been said earlier on the boards until it was removed for flames. Player structures are not supposed to be entered with a BH tef. BH, it happens, and it is not full and wide knowledge. Some people really do not know, and really I agree CSR should not have removed her, but told her what was going on and let her come out on her own or have a chance to do it on her terms.
It was and is crap, but do not compare it to Iraq. Unless you have been there or are there, you have no idea what is going on there.
Yes you did tell us what to do.
Unika
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:35 pm
#62
Again read the statements you made and consider how you said it. Your intentions were not conveyed as they should have been. Remember typing does not convey sarcasm voice inflection or intention. Only the words on the screen, and the reader assigns those to what they see.
I should have sent a PM on the subject first and for that I apologize, but read what I added.
I should have sent a PM on the subject first and for that I apologize, but read what I added.
Cendoth
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:37 pm
#64
Very well I accept that. I am just very defensive over people trying to censor free speech. I certainly appreciate those who did serve and do serve. And my beliefs regarding our rights are at the core of that. I do wish the military didnt have to take so much of that away from the ones protecting those very rights in order to be cohesively effective.
Skwall
Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:40 pm
#65
Cendoth wrote:
Yes you did tell us what to do.
who cares, its plain respect that you don't argue something as trivial as a game over people's lives.
Freedom of speech huh? You don't even know what Freedom of speech means...
man, never have I read someone as interesting as you.