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Thread: Are there really Jedi here that think we are 1.5 times stronger than non-jedi?
Being a jedi is a spiral -one publish u rock next u stink..i stand by my post about fixes
take us all back to pre pub 9 status minus the perma death..remove us from the GCW and Stop this Care Bear we are the world huggy nonesense...if i wanted political correctness in my games id find a Democrat programer to write me one..i get enough of the real world in the real world...
and if u think we are 1.5 you must be playin KOTOR( thatd be a awesome SWMMORPG 
) cause it isnt here and im way pre cu so ive got a tad of game time under me and my jedi..
also im one of the ones not logging in anymore...i want my own content not provide it..SOE how hard is it to repair a game..2 years they have had and IMO its worse...only prob Pre cu was dots and a few broke professions...Tweaks we were told...allready Nerfed they said..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
if u believe jedi hasnt/isnt nerfed then look at my robes theyhave defense mods of the Best Comp Armor...
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Message Edited by Dvol on 09-10-2005 04:18 PM
mbolyard wrote:
I am watching the video linked in this thread in disbelief, but I can definitely see it happening. Having a Force bar right now is not the way to play the game. Up to a month ago, I too felt I was able to hold my own against anyone one versus one. The zip bar added to power hit, a useless dervish, six second heals, and mind costs for every attack have put me on equal footing to an experienced player. It does not matter if it is a melee tank or a BH with a droid, you will experience a defeat very soon. Your Jedi power has been lessened to a point of being a regular CL 80 toon. The last holdouts will be Master Defenders, who could probably fair ok. If they do not have a 700 damage saber, they aren't going to win, only survive. When they run into a regular toon with the right equipment and experience they will be posting on this thread next.
Actually today I made a MDef use a holocron, and then he ran out of force again before running into a base with my bh. Killed a MDef yesterday who used AI twice ... LOL
RAPTORDEATH wrote:
there are no jedi templates right now that can beat a bh cm with half a brain . and im talking about jedi's that are every templ ive seen and are good pvp'ers.the healing on cm with driods is just too high. there are less good bh's out there since respect has faded but if a bh that has spent his time learning his trade as a cm bh your toast and dont lie u know it.. lev it out devs!!
Not true. A Jedi with Force Sap, Force Speed, Master Sabers, and a good (doesn't need to be the best) saber can kill ANY bounty hunter that comes after him. The problem is that there aren't many who opt for this template because they are FotM Jedi who think building a template to tank a DJM with macros is the way to go.
DigitalMice wrote:
We aren't saying we can't kill them, we are saying we are not 1.5 times stronger. Do you know have fully armored BH's with Armor Break armor, capped energy resist, fully modded, with health mods? Our bh's have this armor and it's adk'd. I have one on my alt. I can stand, GUARANTEED in front of ANY of you and you can not kill me. End of story. I can heal for 2500 in 2 seconds. I get hit for about 400 and sometimes just a bit more. It's a joke now, we have our bh's templated and we just walk around killing everyone.
OhBuggah wrote:
RAPTORDEATH wrote:
there are no jedi templates right now that can beat a bh cm with half a brain . and im talking about jedi's that are every templ ive seen and are good pvp'ers.the healing on cm with driods is just too high. there are less good bh's out there since respect has faded but if a bh that has spent his time learning his trade as a cm bh your toast and dont lie u know it.. lev it out devs!!
Not true. A Jedi with Force Sap, Force Speed, Master Sabers, and a good (doesn't need to be the best) saber can kill ANY bounty hunter that comes after him. The problem is that there aren't many who opt for this template because they are FotM Jedi who think building a template to tank a DJM with macros is the way to go.
actually 725 max saber, 16 FC, force speed 2 and force sap and still couldnt get a m.bh/m.pistols/4-0-0-0 under 50% mind simply because of the combo of rooting and getting out of range using stims and ab sliced armor.
eh? don't know how to use a saber throw KD and suppression? a pistoleer BH will always be in saber throw range. also, problem getting aura+valor+pikatta up? they really will miss a lot.
Pday wrote:
OhBuggah wrote:
RAPTORDEATH wrote:
there are no jedi templates right now that can beat a bh cm with half a brain . and im talking about jedi's that are every templ ive seen and are good pvp'ers.the healing on cm with driods is just too high. there are less good bh's out there since respect has faded but if a bh that has spent his time learning his trade as a cm bh your toast and dont lie u know it.. lev it out devs!!
Not true. A Jedi with Force Sap, Force Speed, Master Sabers, and a good (doesn't need to be the best) saber can kill ANY bounty hunter that comes after him. The problem is that there aren't many who opt for this template because they are FotM Jedi who think building a template to tank a DJM with macros is the way to go.
actually 725 max saber, 16 FC, force speed 2 and force sap and still couldnt get a m.bh/m.pistols/4-0-0-0 under 50% mind simply because of the combo of rooting and getting out of range using stims and ab sliced armor.
ok ok ok am i the only one that remebers what was said about Jedi being 1.5 times stronger???
let me spell it out for you .....
JEDI WILL BE 1.5 TIMES STRONGER AT KNIGHT!!!!!
OhBuggah wrote:
eh? don't know how to use a saber throw KD and suppression? a pistoleer BH will always be in saber throw range. also, problem getting aura+valor+pikatta up? they really will miss a lot.
Pday wrote:
OhBuggah wrote:
RAPTORDEATH wrote:
there are no jedi templates right now that can beat a bh cm with half a brain . and im talking about jedi's that are every templ ive seen and are good pvp'ers.the healing on cm with driods is just too high. there are less good bh's out there since respect has faded but if a bh that has spent his time learning his trade as a cm bh your toast and dont lie u know it.. lev it out devs!!
Not true. A Jedi with Force Sap, Force Speed, Master Sabers, and a good (doesn't need to be the best) saber can kill ANY bounty hunter that comes after him. The problem is that there aren't many who opt for this template because they are FotM Jedi who think building a template to tank a DJM with macros is the way to go.
actually 725 max saber, 16 FC, force speed 2 and force sap and still couldnt get a m.bh/m.pistols/4-0-0-0 under 50% mind simply because of the combo of rooting and getting out of range using stims and ab sliced armor.
aura+ valor and pikkata doesnt do much difference VS 300+ accuracy, the combo of warning shot to lower their defences also help. Eyeshot + duelist stance + pikatta + intimidate shot limits the damage a jedi does to someone in 8k ab sliced recon.
Basically using a 725 max saber my powerattack does about 600 - 700 points of damage and thats with a windup and i have to stand still. My headhit/bodyhit/leghit hits for about 400 - 500, same with saberthrow. the root lasts for about15 seconds i think, the second you root someone with the bh/pistoleer temp you get KD and disarmingshotted for about 5 seconds, then the second the root wears off get root and they run out to 30ish saberthrow range.
its not a "im incapped and geta db situation" its more the fact that someone with bh and armor break sliced recon coupled with CM heals and stims can easily drain a jedi completely of force, which means that the jedi is dead.
The force pool will eventually drain from just keeping aura, valor, basic saberattacks, and force speed active due to the way to low regen rate compared to the rate force drains
force aura : 150 force
force speed : 300 force
Force supression : 225 force
Adv saber throw : 30 force
imp armor break : 30 force
So to do what you said : aura + force speed + root + saberthrow and armor break = 735 force
a template with these skills would have about 6000 force, so just activating base abilities and a root + saberthrow and armor break costs me over 10% of my total force pool, a pool that takes about 10 - 14 minutes to fully regen.
now doing a saberthrow every 3 seconds il drain a full forcepool (6000) in about 10 minutes, could also be 15 depending on if the force cost is 20 or 30 for saberthrow. Now this is just saberthrow, reactivating aura every 45 seconds in those 10 minutes takes a total of roughly 800 force.
The issue here isnt are jedi 1.5 the issue is wt-f is wrong with the force drain and force regen? because its way to easy to drain a full template jedi of force.
oh and for the 1.5 guy, what was said was : a fully templated padawan would be 1.5 times stronger
Pday wrote:
aura+ valor and pikkata doesnt do much difference VS 300+ accuracy, the combo of warning shot to lower their defences also help. Eyeshot + duelist stance + pikatta + intimidate shot limits the damage a jedi does to someone in 8k ab sliced recon.
Basically using a 725 max saber my powerattack does about 600 - 700 points of damage and thats with a windup and i have to stand still. My headhit/bodyhit/leghit hits for about 400 - 500, same with saberthrow. the root lasts for about15 seconds i think, the second you root someone with the bh/pistoleer temp you get KD and disarmingshotted for about 5 seconds, then the second the root wears off get root and they run out to 30ish saberthrow range.
its not a "im incapped and geta db situation" its more the fact that someone with bh and armor break sliced recon coupled with CM heals and stims can easily drain a jedi completely of force, which means that the jedi is dead.
The force pool will eventually drain from just keeping aura, valor, basic saberattacks, and force speed active due to the way to low regen rate compared to the rate force drains
force aura : 150 force
force speed : 300 force
Force supression : 225 force
Adv saber throw : 30 force
imp armor break : 30 force
So to do what you said : aura + force speed + root + saberthrow and armor break = 735 force
a template with these skills would have about 6000 force, so just activating base abilities and a root + saberthrow and armor break costs me over 10% of my total force pool, a pool that takes about 10 - 14 minutes to fully regen.
now doing a saberthrow every 3 seconds il drain a full forcepool (6000) in about 10 minutes, could also be 15 depending on if the force cost is 20 or 30 for saberthrow. Now this is just saberthrow, reactivating aura every 45 seconds in those 10 minutes takes a total of roughly 800 force.
The issue here isnt are jedi 1.5 the issue is wt-f is wrong with the force drain and force regen? because its way to easy to drain a full template jedi of force.
oh and for the 1.5 guy, what was said was : a fully templated padawan would be 1.5 times stronger
You are really fudging the numbers to make it look like Jedi are weak and thus make it look like Jedi are require a power buff.
First off, 300 accuracy? WTH? An MBH/MPistoleer only hasa total of 200 accuracy, with tapes it goes to 250. With crispic it goes to 290 and uses up valuable stomach filling. Most won't even have capped accuracy tapes, and the ones who do are the hardcore PvP'ers who should probably beat you anyways because itsounds like you don't knowwhat you're doingfrom your descriptions.Even in the best case scenario where you don't have him blinded to reduce his accuarcy, his 290 accuracy vs. your 900-1000defense when you've got aura+valor+pikatta means he will miss 60-70% of the time, and when his shots DO land they will be for 200 damage each time.
I cannot comment on the specific force costs you mentioned in your response, but what I DO know is that each of those specials you mentioned are not something you have to activate each time you use them. You sort of imply that each time you attack you would have to activate those specific force specials each combat round. The force costs are one-time use that lasts for 30-45 seconds which equates to many combat rounds.
MBH/MPistols is the weakest jedi hunting template possible. It has no CM debuffs. It has the lowest accuracy of all the ranged professions. It lacks any high damage specia. If you seriously have problems killing one of these types of bounty hunters, then maybe you should try a different profession.
OhBuggah wrote:
Pday wrote:
aura+ valor and pikkata doesnt do much difference VS 300+ accuracy, the combo of warning shot to lower their defences also help. Eyeshot + duelist stance + pikatta + intimidate shot limits the damage a jedi does to someone in 8k ab sliced recon.
Basically using a 725 max saber my powerattack does about 600 - 700 points of damage and thats with a windup and i have to stand still. My headhit/bodyhit/leghit hits for about 400 - 500, same with saberthrow. the root lasts for about15 seconds i think, the second you root someone with the bh/pistoleer temp you get KD and disarmingshotted for about 5 seconds, then the second the root wears off get root and they run out to 30ish saberthrow range.
its not a "im incapped and geta db situation" its more the fact that someone with bh and armor break sliced recon coupled with CM heals and stims can easily drain a jedi completely of force, which means that the jedi is dead.
The force pool will eventually drain from just keeping aura, valor, basic saberattacks, and force speed active due to the way to low regen rate compared to the rate force drains
force aura : 150 force
force speed : 300 force
Force supression : 225 force
Adv saber throw : 30 force
imp armor break : 30 force
So to do what you said : aura + force speed + root + saberthrow and armor break = 735 force
a template with these skills would have about 6000 force, so just activating base abilities and a root + saberthrow and armor break costs me over 10% of my total force pool, a pool that takes about 10 - 14 minutes to fully regen.
now doing a saberthrow every 3 seconds il drain a full forcepool (6000) in about 10 minutes, could also be 15 depending on if the force cost is 20 or 30 for saberthrow. Now this is just saberthrow, reactivating aura every 45 seconds in those 10 minutes takes a total of roughly 800 force.
The issue here isnt are jedi 1.5 the issue is wt-f is wrong with the force drain and force regen? because its way to easy to drain a full template jedi of force.
oh and for the 1.5 guy, what was said was : a fully templated padawan would be 1.5 times stronger
You are really fudging the numbers to make it look like Jedi are weak and thus make it look like Jedi are require a power buff.
First off, 300 accuracy? WTH? An MBH/MPistoleer only hasa total of 200 accuracy, with tapes it goes to 250. With crispic it goes to 290 and uses up valuable stomach filling. Most won't even have capped accuracy tapes, and the ones who do are the hardcore PvP'ers who should probably beat you anyways because itsounds like you don't knowwhat you're doingfrom your descriptions.Even in the best case scenario where you don't have him blinded to reduce his accuarcy, his 290 accuracy vs. your 900-1000defense when you've got aura+valor+pikatta means he will miss 60-70% of the time, and when his shots DO land they will be for 200 damage each time.
I cannot comment on the specific force costs you mentioned in your response, but what I DO know is that each of those specials you mentioned are not something you have to activate each time you use them. You sort of imply that each time you attack you would have to activate those specific force specials each combat round. The force costs are one-time use that lasts for 30-45 seconds which equates to many combat rounds.
MBH/MPistols is the weakest jedi hunting template possible. It has no CM debuffs. It has the lowest accuracy of all the ranged professions. It lacks any high damage specia. If you seriously have problems killing one of these types of bounty hunters, then maybe you should try a different profession.
First off, Pday, you're wrong. The devs said shortly after fanfest that a Padawan was to be equal to a normal profession and only FRS bonuses would make a Jedi 1.5x stronger.
