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Thread: Are there really Jedi here that think we are 1.5 times stronger than non-jedi?
but currently i feel as weak as me fighting the 90% force armor fight clubbers pre cu...heck i lasted longer then vs now.. prob was he had full action bars mind bars ect..i was buffed full of foods..nothing i used stuck ie stasis suppression ect..so it was saber throw saber throw armor break(which didnt stick either) his average dmg to me was 240 but yet he was hitting me every second with no misses were as i missed 1 outa 3 hits( modified dps for me is 1.5 i think) when i thought i had him down BAM he had full health and when i healed of course i didnt..i use stims alot and i have pvp ones that heal for 1325 and 1250 respectively( Cas u keep me alive mucho Love)
Pday wrote:
if you havent been beaten by a melee/doc combo the melee doc combos on your server sucks
Ajae wrote:
Pday wrote:
the pre cu 700 max saber crew gets beaten into the ground by melee its the way it works.
Ajae wrote:
Eleutherios wrote:
Hehe. In one thread, Jedi brag about how they've beaten every BH that has come after them except that one time they were AFK. In another, Jedi complain about not being 1.5x stronger than normal profs. Seriously, make up your mind.
Its because the ones who can play, beat any BH its the noobs who cant play, that gets beaten by BHs and the only ones whining.
Then you need to do some more pvp. I have never been beaten by a melee nor a mbh/mcm.
Though if the mbh/mcm really knows what he is doing, a holocron comes in really handy.
And I have 600 max saber btw
The key to beating these templates is their mind. I do so much damage to them, that they have to heal so much that their mind goes to zero.
730 max damage saber, with MLS and Improved FS
Even on the supposed BH/CM god, I work them over.
People complain about states, but I find blind and bleed to be very useful.
On the doc, I can stack the bleeds 3 deep (as long as you do it with a couple attacks in between) The bleeds eliminate any regen and keep them healing.
The blinds make me take less damage and get hit less which helps.
Against people that can heal and hit hard, I pop a Synthsteal right after they get up from a KD. The damage reduction lasts until I can KD them again. This means they have to heal while I dont and I get the upper hand.
It is really all about knowing the weanesses of the template you are facing and how to combat them.
Every template has strengths and weaknesses.
Also if you have 3000 Enhancer and Saber Throw there is no way any melee template should beat you one on one, since you can just root them and get out of their range and just saber throw them to death, or at least make them heal a few times.
Physkoris wrote:
FarSuperior wrote:
actually melee and jedi are not different at all ive fought pre CU jedi and melee profs and actually jedi are more tricky than melee... but overall its the same game... they can AB, Heal, absorb more htan half your damage, and dish out more than half your damage
i beat them all the time...but its under certain circumstances... or its just that i pull on them a killing move combination before they can pull one on me (ie KD/Stasis)
now if your talking about ranged on the other hand THEN its completely different... but i dont know how you can say melee and jedi are different than each other (unless the jedi is MP)
and also if there is no jedi template that is meant to take out a certain kind of non jedi template... we have a SERIOUS problem this should not be the case
Let's see... Melee with doc/cm can heal faster than a Jedi. Difference #1. Melee character wearing Energy%75 AB Armor, Jedimight be using Force Armor. Difference #2.For the most part Jedi vs. Jedi, watching your Force doesn't matter (unless it's an awesome matchup). Jedi vs. normal/healing youhave toconserve and spend force wisely. Difference #3.
Now if you can beat them all the time why are yousuggesting that we aren't 1.5x stronger?
cus the ones i beat are nubs 
the good ones wipe the floor with everyone i c even the rich fotm jedi
and i c wat your saying about how melee is different than jedi... but all thats implying is again that melee has huge advantages over jedi which it does
FarSuperior wrote:
Physkoris wrote:
FarSuperior wrote:
actually melee and jedi are not different at all ive fought pre CU jedi and melee profs and actually jedi are more tricky than melee... but overall its the same game... they can AB, Heal, absorb more htan half your damage, and dish out more than half your damage
i beat them all the time...but its under certain circumstances... or its just that i pull on them a killing move combination before they can pull one on me (ie KD/Stasis)
now if your talking about ranged on the other hand THEN its completely different... but i dont know how you can say melee and jedi are different than each other (unless the jedi is MP)
and also if there is no jedi template that is meant to take out a certain kind of non jedi template... we have a SERIOUS problem this should not be the case
Let's see... Melee with doc/cm can heal faster than a Jedi. Difference #1. Melee character wearing Energy%75 AB Armor, Jedimight be using Force Armor. Difference #2.For the most part Jedi vs. Jedi, watching your Force doesn't matter (unless it's an awesome matchup). Jedi vs. normal/healing youhave toconserve and spend force wisely. Difference #3.
Now if you can beat them all the time why are yousuggesting that we aren't 1.5x stronger?
cus the ones i beat are nubs
and i c wat your saying about how melee is different than jedi... but all thats implying is again that melee has huge advantages over jedi which it does
Melee templates certainly have an advantage over most Jedi templates. Maybe if they introduced a de-buff line in Healer ala CM, the gap between Jedi and Melee would be closed.
Message Edited by Physkoris on 09-10-2005 03:15 PM
Tarja- wrote:
i have yet to loose to a non jedi, including ones with 7k energy resist, armor break sliced MCM's. 1.5x...no but definatly have the edge, if they ever fix pearl drops everyone would see this.
lol
WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH OVER 700 DPS SABERS. SABERS FILLED WITH 119 -9'S!. PEOPLE, IM TELLING YOU, IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE UBER BH'S YET, ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. THEY WILL EVENTUALLY HIT YOUR SERVER.
ToRtLe wrote:
I find two things mostfunny in the forums; all the post about avoiding VIS and the consideration of whether we ar 1.5 times more powerful than any other player on the server. Oh yeah, and the Jedi who claim that becauseTHEY cant kill a MCM/MBH that none of the rest of us can, thats BS. Of course it seems the sceptics always start by saying "if you say you can you are lying."
First off, all things being equal, no master profession can kill a Pre CU Jedi Master Defender who knows what he is doing... ah ah ah.. dont say a thing.. its true. If they just walk up to you like half the Idiots do and go for broke face to face,even the MCM is gonna be toast. We are talking about BH in almost everydiscussion about this subject so lets not bring up TK hybrids, there is a mix of meleewhich can hold his own against even defenders, but that is not the costly enemy we face.
I have notYET been defeated by a MCM, period; although Im sure one day I will. They have to get close at some point and I can definately inflict enough damage to bring them down to below halftheir health, KD and 2 strikes for the kill. Maybe Im lucky or maybe Im just good at what I do.Or maybeI just enjoy killing BH so much that I just excel at it. But to date, I have yet to fall to theweapon orDOT of any BH. I havehad to retreat from a few and some of those where MCM. I'm not saying I can kill everyone of them at every encounter, but if I escapetheir DB I have won, though they will debate that im sure. The fact is that I am ALWAYSalive and they have no cash so in my opinion I have won. So one way or another my toonIS inherently better thanits advisaryby some margin, whether it isthe ability to evade, use of Saber, Healing ability, oruse of certrain Enchatment abilities, there is a noticable superiorityover non-jeditemplates all things being equal.
Most look at the power of the Jedi relataive to thierparticular template. Thats a very 2 dimentional perspective. Over all, when considering all the templates available to use,Jedi aremore powewrfulthan other professions. Sort of like, for example, an F-18 is far superior to aMIG-21 in its technological and structural design. But having all that technologyat your finger tips doesnt fully replace Skill,Efficient Thinking, Chance and Opportunity. Anew F-18 pilot can easily loose to an Ace MIG-21 Pilot. But if you add the rare d20 roll to the mix in this game, unlike the real world example or fighter pilots, many things can happen that defy logic orinherant template abilities.
In short, Jedi are more powerful in thier inherent abilities. The one thing that rares its ugly head is the ommission of Superior pearls and crystals in th game. The newwer Jedi are at a disadvantage if they choose the Saber Path. But if they choose to go MD/MP and some healing, I think you will find that they can handle any BH that comes thier way or any other Non-Jedi for that matter, once they know how to play and mange force. Thats my input on it. I look forward to seeing a reponse to this.
/bow to Jedi one and all.
We aren't saying we can't kill them, we are saying we are not 1.5 times stronger. Do you know have fully armored BH's with Armor Break armor, capped energy resist, fully modded, with health mods? Our bh's have this armor and it's adk'd. I have one on my alt. I can stand, GUARANTEED in front of ANY of you and you can not kill me. End of story. I can heal for 2500 in 2 seconds. I get hit for about 400 and sometimes just a bit more. It's a joke now, we have our bh's templated and we just walk around killing everyone.
FarSuperior wrote:
Hasun wrote:
Please answer me this
If jedi are not as strong as a regular profession, why are there so many, why are there 100's of people dropping regular skills to go jedi?
cus they are stupid
HAHAHAH /AGREED
DigitalMice wrote:
Tarja- wrote:
i have yet to loose to a non jedi, including ones with 7k energy resist, armor break sliced MCM's. 1.5x...no but definatly have the edge, if they ever fix pearl drops everyone would see this.
lol
WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH OVER 700 DPS SABERS. SABERS FILLED WITH 119 -9'S!. PEOPLE, IM TELLING YOU, IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE UBER BH'S YET, ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. THEY WILL EVENTUALLY HIT YOUR SERVER.
says the guy typing in caps...you don't know what uber is mate. 1900 heals, caped on tapes, caped on energy resist, MCM. armor break slice tier 3, caped damage, caped speed, caped action cost weapon(or atleast close on all), you can't get any more uber than that.
granted they are over powered by far. however a good jedi with a decent template can still kill them. 1.5x no, 1.2x or 1.1x maybe.
Message Edited by Tarja- on 09-10-2005 02:38 PM
Daelus wrote:
OMGAlready wrote:
I love this video... sorry I don't know how to clicky it...
clicked
all i got o say to this, is wow.
