Jedi Archive
Thread: the final straw
Jhahadir
Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:07 pm
#40
Diorchas wrote:
Jhahadir,
Let me clarify something... I'm not saying that Jedi are cookie cutter white knights. Just as I have already said that they are not anti-combat. I'm saying it's situational. There is room for character development, but the Jedi have a code that they follow. They are the only "profession" included in the game that that can be said for. You're right... Anakin was cocky. Obi Wan was wry and gave in to rage at least once in the movies (when he was little more than a Padawan. Compare to how he was as a Master and you see the further illumination of my point re: introducing RPing to Jedi selection). Qui-Gon was impulsive. They're not perfect. But they STRIVE to uphold a certain moral code and that is the difference. They might not always SUCCEED, but they are always trying. Can you honestly say that you've seen any "Jedi" in-game even making the attempt?
This is a reply to both you and Morda.
SWG Dev's are limited by how players exploit the game. Example Healing. They had healing giving exp as with all powers, but they had to take that out since players were exploiting the system to gain exp. As for the system of KOTOR and the checks and balance they do there for the individual player that is not possible in a MMO. The tracking of choices and blah blah blah as in KOTOR would have to be kept on SOE servers. So imagine the huge database SOE would have to keep on each individual player that keeps increasing as time goes on. That is potentially Gig's of information over the course of a few years.
Diorchas, Yes I have seen 'Jedi' in game. They are in my guild outside the guild and 'Jedi' I have met on planets in the wilderness. Some are good, many are bad, but that is the nature of game.
Anyways, consider the time-line we are in now. The organization Jedi once had is gone. We are shaping the future of the Jedi Counsels... for the better or worse. It'll be up to the individuals to shape it.
Alteran Chase
WarNerve5776
Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:30 pm
#42
IdrisTycho wrote:
Diorchas wrote:
Jackal,
Your post illustrates my point perfectly. The Devs have made Jedi into a combat profession rather than as a moral calling. What most people are doing in the game has absolutely nothing to do with being Jedi except that they can use a lightsaber and wear Jedi robes. Very little they do is consistent with the code of the Jedi. No, it's not your fault for playing the Jedi as the Devs created it. That's the problem, though.
I am not saying that you are entirely wrong, but I do recall a TON of fighting by the Jedi in the movies... Jedi are not pacifists. They do not avoid a fight. They just don't start them, and where possible they try to talk their opponents out of the fight. To say that the Jedi are not combatants is clearly incorrect though. They spend the majority of their lives learning the intricate art of fighting with a lightsaber.
I agree. Light Jedi may not go looking for trouble,but theyARE warriors,no way around it.
Astharot
Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:46 pm
#43
just one think guy, if you have buy this game just because you want to be a jedi... there is the problem. If you realy want to be a jedi, you will "scrap" your primary char and make a jedi like i have do. If you can't do that, it's because you have fun whit your char...
n5ygy wrote:
/agree 100%
I bought this game for the sole purpose of role playing a Jedi. Yet, it is impossible to do. I feel cheated of 7 months of my life, and all the money I have spent on this game.
RamhornSWG
Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:55 pm
#44
I agree with the game being lame part ...
BUT
I dont remember the crafting Jedi in Star Wars lore.
Was there a Jedi who stayed at home making shirts?
MPHarkleroad
Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:36 pm
#45
SOE did not encourage anyone to try to become a Jedi and did not promise to make anyone a Jedi.
Becomingoneis not supposed to beeasy so don'tblame devs for creating a system where you do not have a chance to becomea Jedi. If you really want it, then you will do what youthink will get you there. Being a merchant for a year does not earn you the right to unlock.
As a jedi, I am enjoying the game as much as I have before I unlocked. PvP, PvE, Roleplay, etc...I am involved with all as a Jedi. So please don't speak for all Jedi because you are not me and you are certainly no Jedi.
good luck with your next MMO game.
Pluthero/Pluthero
mOnEY/-mOnEY
BountyHunterForPeace
Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:50 pm
#46
Barriss Offee, while having minor combat skills, was mainly a healer. Read the MedStar books, look at the Mon Cal Jedi Trainee from the Champions of the Force series, she never fought, only healed. Etc. etc. etc.
Also, dont MAKE me wait to get Jedi, 3 week intervels, if I am capable, allow me.
RaistlinVII
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:34 pm
#47
Diorchas wrote:
DraxTIO wrote:
Diorchas wrote:
First and foremost, I'll say that my main character is a straight crafter/merchant.
LOL, um, your main crafter/merchant is the one that becomes FS. If you want to become a Jedi, you're going to HAVE to make him a combatant. Otherwise, upon unlocking your second slot, you would have to redo ALL of the steps on your second, new character to make him FS as well.
Jedi in a video game = combat profession. Always has been, always will.
Is there any possible way that I could've illustrated my point more succinctly and eloquently than this guy did? It's this attitude and the Dev's willingness to cater to it that absolutely ruined PC Jedi.
Just a hint for you, kid... Jedi existed before KotOR and all the other FPS games featuring Jedi. Jedi are not a combat profession, they are a moral calling. The SWG Devs have MADE Jedi in this game exactly what you say they are and that's the essence of my point.
I respect your viewpoint and I wish people would role play their Jedi more, but you have to realize that Jedi actually are a combat profession. They train from a very young age with lightsabers to be used in combat. Everything about the Jedi is combat, including the title of Knight.
n5ygy
Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:01 am
#48
/agree 100%
I bought this game for the sole purpose of role playing a Jedi. Yet, it is impossible to do. I feel cheated of 7 months of my life, and all the money I have spent on this game.
I bought this game for the sole purpose of role playing a Jedi. Yet, it is impossible to do. I feel cheated of 7 months of my life, and all the money I have spent on this game.
SDraven
Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:11 am
#50
a pure roleplaying server might help.
I'm aswell tired of the "l33t" spech people giving
me at times instead of playing their characters
role.
there is a ton potential in SWG with all emotes,
clothing and profession to roleplay forever.
but this game is however not for roleplayers
only and nobody can tell people how to act
ingame.
the key is to make friends having the same
interests (ever tried a roleplaying guild?) and
stick with it.
you can always "roleplay" you'r Jedi.
sure you won't get anywhere in the FRS with
it since there is no exp reward for chat skills
but does it really matter?
personally I play the game my way and it works
at least for me.
rip22
Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:33 am
#51
/agree
A prime example of how badly jedi was implemented- I'm standing outside the Coronet Starport the other night, two overt jedi approach. One of them offered me 10k to duel to the death. I just had to laugh out loud. Never saw jedi in the movies randomly slaughtering people at starports, maybe I was getting popcorn...
Oh well, at least I'll have the opportunity to roleplay a jedi for a month or two before moving on. Too bad they didn't uphold their original assertion that even crafters could unlock so that you could as well.
QT
A prime example of how badly jedi was implemented- I'm standing outside the Coronet Starport the other night, two overt jedi approach. One of them offered me 10k to duel to the death. I just had to laugh out loud. Never saw jedi in the movies randomly slaughtering people at starports, maybe I was getting popcorn...
Oh well, at least I'll have the opportunity to roleplay a jedi for a month or two before moving on. Too bad they didn't uphold their original assertion that even crafters could unlock so that you could as well.
QT
FelixDarque1
Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:42 am
#52
Jedi in this game are far more concerned with being uber than they are with actually playing a part.
I will agree with about everything you said but this...you are wrong my friend. Some...most of...the Jedi I know were kids once too, and probably not unlike you much at all. They don't like what has been forced upon them in the name of 'playing' Jedi.
Toward this end... enforced PvP. Which, the more astute of you will have already guessed, is not exactlya prospect that makes me giddy in anticipation. After all, I'd rather help someone succeed than rejoice in their downfall. Now, I know not all PvPers are like that... but can any of you honestly say that the majority of them are NOT? I didn't think so.
You put this into words better than I ever have. "After all, I'd rather help someone succeed than rejoice in their downfall." Well said.