Jedi Archive

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Niccolado wrote:

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noxin wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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you get a free alt, do quests on him if you dont want to not be hunted.

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They can very much claim that free character back, because, you see. I did not go jedi for the free character, but for the jedi!!

When it comes to the reward vs risk. What reward do we have excpet the free character??? No, I think they should remove the free character and then remove the Jedu bounty PvP. Like its now, its unfair!

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im not a active pvper but i have to agree that pvp SHOULD be forced on jedi like it always has it is part of the proff and im in favor of keeping it this way...

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I would agree with you if we had a better chance to win against the BHs. We are now very much balanced with the BHs, but Im often commited in a battle already when a BH strike, so I dont have only the BH against me, but also NS or a krayt.

Right now Forced PvP is a joke. A free character is not worth it just to be ganked often when a BH hits around. And each time you loose like 500k of XP.

I think they should make jedi just as strong as any other elite profession. But keep the way getting it as "hard" as it is today. There should not be any free character slot either. And Not any BH and xp loss. Just another elite character you have to strive very hard for compared to getting a ordinary Elite profession. It will increase the fun of being jedi. It will also be less hatred to jedi because you will just be as strong as them, and with no forced PvP, you are free to chose your own time for doing PvP, and not when you are busy doing Quests or missions, or eventually in a ingame wedding.. Because that desroys the fun in the game!!!

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Cojonelso wrote:

good discussion going here...

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/agreed. I will be following this thread,

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abbink wrote:

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negilum wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare.

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but... if they enforce the fact that jedi are to be hunted, get saber tefs and so on that discourages alot of people from going for jedi and also leads to less of them being seen, so increased power is an option.

Think of what is going to happenwhen everyone ends up being a jedi. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare. And as the population continues to increase and increase as youve seen happening then there will be no point at all to have any content in this game what so ever because the way the current system is, we would all just be pvping all the time non-stop every where. Add more forced pvp and it would only be worse. Might as well just make each planet an open battle field with no npc's where we can just have it out with each other all day. It would get pretty boring pretty quick. There ends up being no stroy line, no plot, nothing to keep peoples focus when there is nothing to do but pvp. It will turn this game into a twisted star wars version of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat online. Thats why pvp should just be a little added bonus to this game for those that want to compete. it should never be the main focus of any aspect of this game. If we had more quest style content that demanded that our profession should be more powerful then we would be. Its all because of pvp and the idea of leveling the playing field is why the jedi profession is what it is now. Think of street fighter and mortal kombat. Every fighter in those games is basically just as powerfull as the next just with special moves. Is that really what we want this game to become a Star Wars version of street fighter?

Message Edited by abbink on 10-02-2005 02:20 AM

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abbink wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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negilum wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare.

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but... if they enforce the fact that jedi are to be hunted, get saber tefs and so on that discourages alot of people from going for jedi and also leads to less of them being seen, so increased power is an option.

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sorry edited what i wanted to say: especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare. And as the population continues to increase and increase as youve seen happening then there will be no point at all to have any content in this game what so ever because the way the current system is, we would all just be pvping all the time non-stop every where. Add more forced pvp and it would only be worse. Might as well just make each planet an open battle field with no npc's where we can just have it out with each other all day. It would get pretty boring pretty quick. There ends up being no stroy line, no plot, nothing to keep peoples focus when there is nothing to do but pvp. It will turn this game into a twisted star wars version of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat online. Thats why pvp should just be a little added bonus to this game for those that want to compete. it should never be the main focus of any aspect of this game.

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lets go back, patch 9, there wernt that many jedi, because there was saber TEF, skill loss, you got hunted, and to get jedi you had to grind alot of proffessions, and jedi were rare.

Make jedi hard to get, hard to level and hard to play and you wont see everyone as a jedi.

Oh and its not forced pvp, you agree to the pvp when you get the glowbat just like you agree to pvp when you go overt.

Message Edited by Pday on 10-02-2005 01:16 AM

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Pday wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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negilum wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare.

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but... if they enforce the fact that jedi are to be hunted, get saber tefs and so on that discourages alot of people from going for jedi and also leads to less of them being seen, so increased power is an option.

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sorry edited what i wanted to say: especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare. And as the population continues to increase and increase as youve seen happening then there will be no point at all to have any content in this game what so ever because the way the current system is, we would all just be pvping all the time non-stop every where. Add more forced pvp and it would only be worse. Might as well just make each planet an open battle field with no npc's where we can just have it out with each other all day. It would get pretty boring pretty quick. There ends up being no stroy line, no plot, nothing to keep peoples focus when there is nothing to do but pvp. It will turn this game into a twisted star wars version of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat online. Thats why pvp should just be a little added bonus to this game for those that want to compete. it should never be the main focus of any aspect of this game.

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lets go back, patch 9, there wernt that many jedi, because there was saber TEF, skill loss, you got hunted, and to get jedi you had to grind alot of proffessions, and jedi were rare.

Make jedi hard to get, hard to level and hard to play and you wont see everyone as a jedi.

Oh and its not forced pvp, you agree to the pvp when you get the glowbat just like you agree to pvp when you go overt.

Message Edited by Pday on 10-02-2005 01:16 AM

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but doesnt that idea go right along with "make jedi rare except mine" Its way way to late for that now. And have you ever read those posts about deleting your jedi for the good of the game? How many people are willing to do that? Its already to late to make jedi rare. Now to save the game we need to think of a change to move in a positive direction to keep the game fresh, alive, story driven, quest driven, plot driven. PVP has absolutely no plot. Its not fresh. Its not story driven. Its old and tired.Its nothing more than street fighter online as ive said. If you want to keep this game alive we need to move away from pvp being the focus.

Message Edited by abbink on 10-02-2005 01:25 AM

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abbink wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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negilum wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare.

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but... if they enforce the fact that jedi are to be hunted, get saber tefs and so on that discourages alot of people from going for jedi and also leads to less of them being seen, so increased power is an option.

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sorry edited what i wanted to say: especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare. And as the population continues to increase and increase as youve seen happening then there will be no point at all to have any content in this game what so ever because the way the current system is, we would all just be pvping all the time non-stop every where. Add more forced pvp and it would only be worse. Might as well just make each planet an open battle field with no npc's where we can just have it out with each other all day. It would get pretty boring pretty quick. There ends up being no stroy line, no plot, nothing to keep peoples focus when there is nothing to do but pvp. It will turn this game into a twisted star wars version of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat online. Thats why pvp should just be a little added bonus to this game for those that want to compete. it should never be the main focus of any aspect of this game.

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lets go back, patch 9, there wernt that many jedi, because there was saber TEF, skill loss, you got hunted, and to get jedi you had to grind alot of proffessions, and jedi were rare.

Make jedi hard to get, hard to level and hard to play and you wont see everyone as a jedi.

Oh and its not forced pvp, you agree to the pvp when you get the glowbat just like you agree to pvp when you go overt.

Message Edited by Pday on 10-02-2005 01:16 AM

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but doesnt that idea go right along with "make jedi rare except mine" Its way way to late for that now. And have you ever read those posts about deleting your jedi for the good of the game? How many people are willing to do that? Its already to late to make jedi rare. Now to save the game we need to think of a change to move in a positive direction to keep the game fresh, alive, story driven, quest driven, plot driven. PVP has absolutely no plot. Its not fresh. Its not story driven. Its nothing more than street fighter online as ive said. If you want to keep this game alive we need to move away from pvp being the focus.

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Pday wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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negilum wrote:

Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare.

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but... if they enforce the fact that jedi are to be hunted, get saber tefs and so on that discourages alot of people from going for jedi and also leads to less of them being seen, so increased power is an option.

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There are too many finished template jedi around to allow that much of an increase in power. Saber tef means bh lead gank squads. There is no chance whatsoever the devs will give jedi enough power to compete against an 8 player group. The only way for that to happen if for jedi to disappear first. Ask yourself, are you willing to delete your jedi and never create a new one so that someone else's will be more powerful? Until nine out of ten jedi answer yes we won't see a power increase outside of the limited terrain of the FRS. Asking for increased risk will only bring increased risk.

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negilum wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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negilum wrote:

Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare.

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but... if they enforce the fact that jedi are to be hunted, get saber tefs and so on that discourages alot of people from going for jedi and also leads to less of them being seen, so increased power is an option.

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There are too many finished template jedi around to allow that much of an increase in power. Saber tef means bh lead gank squads. There is no chance whatsoever the devs will give jedi enough power to compete against an 8 player group. The only way for that to happen if for jedi to disappear first. Ask yourself, are you willing to delete your jedi and never create a new one so that someone else's will be more powerful? Until nine out of ten jedi answer yes we won't see a power increase outside of the limited terrain of the FRS. Asking for increased risk will only bring increased risk.

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that is correct its too late to roll back now. So now we just need to move forward with something new to keep this game alive and fun. We cant revisit what has already been laid to rest.

Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.

Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM

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lets go back, patch 9, there wernt that many jedi, because there was saber TEF, skill loss, you got hunted, and to get jedi you had to grind alot of proffessions, and jedi were rare.

Make jedi hard to get, hard to level and hard to play and you wont see everyone as a jedi.

Oh and its not forced pvp, you agree to the pvp when you get the glowbat just like you agree to pvp when you go overt.

Message Edited by Pday on 10-02-2005 01:16 AM

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but doesnt that idea go right along with "make jedi rare except mine" Its way way to late for that now. And have you ever read those posts about deleting your jedi for the good of the game? How many people are willing to do that? Its already to late to make jedi rare. Now to save the game we need to think of a change to move in a positive direction to keep the game fresh, alive, story driven, quest driven, plot driven. PVP has absolutely no plot. Its not fresh. Its not story driven. Its nothing more than street fighter online as ive said. If you want to keep this game alive we need to move away from pvp being the focus.

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the way i look at it, you can make people play their jedi less, like i play mine alot less now, simply because my non jedi is more effective in pretty much every way, so its working.

Increase the penalties for jedi, say more bhs, skill loss, saber tef and people will play their jedi less and so less jedi are seen. You cant make jedi rare again, but you can make it so that they are seen a hell of alot less.

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Weve already had that. and what did people do? they asked for it to go away and it has. There was is definately a reason why its gone.

Message Edited by abbink on 10-02-2005 01:59 AM

This thread makes me sick. All you cry babies that complain about forced PVP are ruining the profession.

Why not PVP? Dont want your feelings hurt if you die? Big f'ing deal.

If the FRS doesnt include perma-overt I'm done. I'm tired of you people.