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Thread: Focus Thread: Lightsaber

RIP101
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:27 am
#40



woops, double post.

Message Edited by RIP101 on 07-24-2005 10:27 AM





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CeboWookie
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:29 am
#41

#1 Oviously premium crystals/pearl drops need to be fixed. Those of us who are fortunate enough to have gotten prems pre-cu have a deep gap to all post-cu jedi that didnt get pearls pre-CU. This is neither fair to them, nor is it balancing.

#2 MLS needs to have an advanced version of any single target attack, like for example advanced headhit. This attack should do more damage then any other single target attack in any tree. Devrish is nice and all but its a area attack and in most cases you wont use an area attack.

Message Edited by CeboWookie on 07-24-2005 05:31 PM




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VPittou
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:29 am
#42

We could re introduce lightsaber toughness so that non defenders get a litle innate armor also.
i'am mdef and i feel for non defender templates fyi
xur-soma
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:30 am
#43






MDBangs wrote:

1)Pearl drops, every jedi needs better then 'good pearls' to be able to compete in this system.


2)Single target hit at master, that is more powerful then the other lightsaber moves.


3)5th gen lightsaber(would notbe game breaking, t-21's do more damage and are ranged)








pearls are given and not just for MLS...a single target hit that equal to leg hit... body hit... head hit but has a greater chance of hiting the target would sweet!!! our dmg with good pearls if fine!...no need for a 5th gen saber! the diference between a MLS and non MLS should not be to much!!! any attack that is more powerfule than imp power attack used with imp power attack would mean MLS would be required again and that should not be the case!


a new attack with dmg equal to or a little better than leg hit , body hit, head hit with acc bouns would very nice to have!!!! that onle would make me happy! and by making dervish more powerfule they could do this because the % to hit with dervish is very high see how many times you miss with dervish!





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Orowaw
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:32 am
#44

Well thats easy....a 5th gen like every otehr elite prof MLS should have a use only weapon which should bhe a 5th gen.


A master move worth something that not a PvE move like dervish is now.


PEARLS!!!! That means Premiums.






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armorofgod
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:37 am
#45

1) Fix Speed Bug, sabers hit too slow without buffs and force speed.


2) Pre-CU sabers> Post CU sabersin terms of base stats (crafting). Fix the way sabers craft at the moment to be on par with Pre CU sabers. <----- Good start to balance out the differnce in sabers in general.


3) The master box is not worth mastering cause of speed bugs accucary mods, and make DERVISH earn its name, bring back its mulitple stat sticking, or something along those lines.


4) More Doublebladed LS Hilts


Karmii
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:40 am
#46


We need pearl and crystal drops back! come on a noob can't get any thing good these days unless he spends 100mill.


Master LS gets a 5th gen LS! make master reallly worth having!


Make dervish do more dmg add status effects (stun and dizzy would be nice but I'd accept blind and bleed.)


Add adv lvl power hit in master.


Add more block. 25% block for master is BS. Come on, we should get 40% blcok with master. 10 points with novice, 5 points with each tech block and 15 with master.


Add 3 stances for each line.



  • 1handed gets a stance that adds no defencive mods but increases speed and chance to hit.

  • 2handed gets a mod that increases defence and chance to block

  • duel bladed gets no defencive mods but increases block and return shots at an opponent.

The master block of LS is almost worthless. we need more DMG. and more status effects to make it worth having.



2handed LS is to strong compared to the other lines. move sweep to 2handed and move power hit to the tech line. That will balance the equation.


Message Edited by Karmii on 07-24-2005 01:44 PM

xur-soma
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:41 am
#47






Ameno wrote:

1.) Increase saberblock back up to around 65%-85% FRS will do this not needed

2.) Turn dervish into a a advanced armor break High damage AOE that applies, stun, dizzy and blind. 1 state could work with dmg increace but your missing the point of CU with this request...its for lazy people who cant think and just want to spam dervish been their done that...

3.) Increase the overall damage of the specials (or maybe just make our pearls have higher stats?) this would make MLS requiered for PVP

4.) Increase the range of lightsabers from 5 meters to 10 meters. lol

5.) Decrease or Remove SAC from the hilts to much and pearls will have SAC mods when they fix them...If

6.) Bring back the5th Gen Lightsaber again not needed

7.) Turn our bleed into a burn (faceit lightsabers don't bleed anyone..) i agree the bleeds should be better I dont even use bleed it sucks! or burn

8.) Increase accuracy (i've been missing with improved power attack and other moves, alot the last few days. even with accuracy food) SEA's Food all help not needed and everyone misses non MLS miss alot more than we do!

9.) New Ability- Lightsaber Focusing- at the novice box. But give it +5's throughout the tree. It could increase defenses with a lightsaber, and speed. (something like COB i guess.) Defender tree

10.) For the love of god, get them to start making preminum/flawless pearls/crystals drop again. everyone needs this


These aren't really in order...


And before anyone says anything, these are my opionions, in what the class needs/has to be changed. Being a Lightsaber master is short of being a joke compared to what it use to be, if you don't like the fact that you may have to pick it up, so you can beat someone that has mastered it.. tough.






lol no friggn way and i am MLS are you kidding me way to much bro would make MLS a must again





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Darth_Toast1018
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:45 am
#48



-Fred- wrote:
I'd say that 4x4x lines need some sort of equivelant to Power attack/armor break, having them both in x4xx is slightly unbalanced imo.




What he said. I think at least Armor Break should be in the Tech Line so there available to any saber style.



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AynenAmolen
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:46 am
#49


You know there is a school of thought that a Master should be greater at the profession than adabbler? I know that's weird, new age thinking but you might want to look into it.


The only agreement I can make with you is that if you do this for the MLS then you must also scale the damage up for MFW so that it is comparable so that when it comes to OFFENSE one can choose either MLS or MFW and be viable. However, I will never agree with any argument that lends itself to making dabblers as effective as masters.



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LagSolo
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:48 am
#50

MLS needs some love.



Give it a "parry" special or something like it.....like a duelists stance....


In the movies I seeJedi using their sabres to block other peoples sabre and ranged attacks.....in this game I see the people blocking with their body.....thats just absurd......you mean to tell me all those Jedi in the movies never used their sabre defensively?



Also it needs a single target power attack...since Jedi is a "PvP enabled" discipline it needs a PvP single target critical special in the master box....not a PvE lair grinder spin attack.


States dont work...half the specials are useless and take up valuable room in the ls skill tree that could be used for abilities that work.


Sabres cost Force..Mind and Action....we need mind to attack and to heal....other professions need action to attack and mind to heal....get rid of one of our pool costs or add one to the other professions....in the name of balance.


My cl 60 rifleman hits cl 86Krayts for over 3k....how much does a cl 80 mls hit one for?





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MasterRobin
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:51 am
#51

like many of the other said......


1) more accuracy at Master (i mean c'mon2 out of 5 hits??! that's just wrong... and that's WITH food)


2) more specials at master and/or 5th gen saber, e. x advanced bodyhit/leg/head , advanced power attack, improve dervish dmg / cost


3) block... kick the block up a lil, i mean.. we're supposed to have mastered the lightsaber, and we can't block 70% of the shots...


4) also make crafting more effective at Master or make it so it's 75% on the saber stats and 25% on pearls... cause as it is i get out dmged by 0404's and i just think that's a lil wrong.... since i'm supposed to be a much more advanced wielder of a lightsaber....


and i don't think you should do anything about Force/Action costs... it is good as it is, if you have the right foods and crafted a SAC exp saber, if you put all your EXP in speed or effctiveness... then you had it coming, your have more dmg/speed but you can't keep it up any longer time....





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Ameno
Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:52 am
#52






xur-soma wrote:






Ameno wrote:

1.) Increase saberblock back up to around 65%-85% FRS will do this not needed Ya well tell me the EXACT date of the FRS, then we can talk. this was here before their stupid changes to the FRS, that isn't even in after what 3months of the CU?

2.) Turn dervish into a a advanced armor break High damage AOE that applies, stun, dizzy and blind. 1 state could work with dmg increace but your missing the point of CU with this request...its for lazy people who cant think and just want to spam dervish been their done that... The point of this request is ITS A MASTER MOVE hence, it should be doing what its worth.

3.) Increase the overall damage of the specials (or maybe just make our pearls have higher stats?) this would make MLS requiered for PVP See the bottom

4.) Increase the range of lightsabers from 5 meters to 10 meters. lol keep laughing.

5.) Decrease or Remove SAC from the hilts to much and pearls will have SAC mods when they fix them...If "If" is right, don't hold your breath on it.

6.) Bring back the5th Gen Lightsaber again not needed NEEDED! next.

7.) Turn our bleed into a burn (faceit lightsabers don't bleed anyone..) i agree the bleeds should be better I dont even use bleed it sucks! or burn i use it, its a extra bit of damage you don't have to apply to them.

8.) Increase accuracy (i've been missing with improved power attack and other moves, alot the last few days. even with accuracy food) SEA's Food all help not needed and everyone misses non MLS miss alot more than we do! Jedi shouldn't need to rely on a "tape" that you magically put into a piece of clothing just so i can hit a damn target.

9.) New Ability- Lightsaber Focusing- at the novice box. But give it +5's throughout the tree. It could increase defenses with a lightsaber, and speed. (something like COB i guess.) Defender tree ..screw the defender tree, we aren't talking about the godly tank of a tree. we're talking about lightsaber and what would help it. I"m not talking overall defense like innate armor, i'm talking about the ability to block and to redirect the damage taken.

10.) For the love of god, get them to start making preminum/flawless pearls/crystals drop again. everyone needs this


These aren't really in order...


And before anyone says anything, these are my opionions, in what the class needs/has to be changed. Being a Lightsaber master is short of being a joke compared to what it use to be, if you don't like the fact that you may have to pick it up, so you can beat someone that has mastered it.. tough.






lol no friggn way and i am MLS are you kidding me way to much bro would make MLS a must again




Anywho, i've said my bit, its not changing. no matter what you don't like or think, they're my opionion. If i master a tree, i expect to be better at it then anyone that hasn't. There is no reason a dabbler of the tree should be able to stand up, against the master of it.




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