Jedi Archive
Thread: Bounty Hunters are more powerful than post-CU Jedi can deal with.
TheGreatFreyr wrote:
fellas jus hang in there w/me and tough it out till frs, something that's takin this damn long better make us a lot better
OH YES. THE ALMIGHTY FRS, WHAT IN GODS NAME MAKES YOU THINK THAT ITS GONNA SAVE JEDI OR MAKE YOU THE MOST PWERFUL PLAYER EVER? HUH? THE MAIN REASON THE FRS IS TAKING SO LONG, IS THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE AN ADVANCEMENT SYSTEM THAT IS NOT FLAWED AND CANNOT BE EXPLOITED LIKE THE LAST SYSTEM. IT WAS ALSO REBUKED 2 TIMES BY LUCASARTS for being , well, crap
sorry for caps. too lazy to rewrite it
All u need is a base speed of 3.0 or better. 4 pearls/crystals near 0.29 each. BH mind is gone. Ohh....and u need to have loads of pvp playrime m8!
cheers
Saereth wrote:
Let me post an observation here as well, I unlocked 1 week after cu, I've spent from then, until about 3 weeks ago comepletely on my jedi. Playing everyday, an average of 4 hours per day, I have tuned over 130 pealrs and 200+ crystals and I have spent hundreds of millions of credits on my jedi to buy pearls (in addition to krayt hunting every day) as well as buying Cas, leaving me with about400k in my bank and now that au'kuans are gone, no real way to make more money.I am full template, and even with a 2k health buff a skilled MCM/MBH can take me out, I just cant do enough damage to drain their mind BEFORE my force is gone, and once the force is gone, thats it.
Now, that being said, 3 weeks ago I decided to make a bounty hunter alt. After 3 weeks I am capped on ranged accuracy/speed mods in my Cas, I have 8200ishenergy recon,75% armorbreak sliced, a very nicelysliced and Puped LD-1 with an ADK, I geta droid, a nice healing eff undershirt, cm 4000/mrm/mbh, some nice bacta enhancers so now I heal better than my jedi, do more damage, do it from 64ms and its on...all in all, I spent about 30mil in equipment and thats including 9mil for the adk. and my bank account currently sits around 12miland thats after buying all the equipment and Cas... This is after THREE WEEKS OF WORK. My record stands at 38 kills, 4 deaths Me vs. Jedi. and many were full template.
now that just Jedi vs Bh... how about PVE?
MBH: Can Solo Ancient Krayts easily, can solo the named 111 dant npcs/dark adepts/djm/djks/necrosis, nearly anything in the game is soloable thanks to the snares and kds.
Jedi: Can solo the 111 npcs with synth steak and at least 55% force. Can solo Canyon and Juvy krayts... thats about it. ...Cant really think of anything else remarkable this char can do.
GCW:My bh can slice the term, go undercover and pick off people, outrange turrets to disable them...
Jedi can saber block some of the turretdamage and continually heal as he slows beats on one, then he's pretty much done, no use in the base at all other than to just sit around looking for overt defenders to show up and even then an undercover MRM/MBH wouldbe much more useful in those situations as an early warning etc.
So yeah There is your balance, drop jedi, make a MBH, welcome to the alpha class you have worked sohard toearn.
I would have to agree. Having spent 98% of my time on Bria with my primary characters (full temp jedi having tuned over 100 pearls/crystals) and 2% on Chilastra with a MBH/MCH/medic 0040 toon, I can say that I can more easily solo nightsisters and the high level named force-sensitive types on Dantooine. This is WITHOUT ANY slices on my fairly mediocre armor and with my average weapons. I have NOT spent the time to get the amazing items since most of my time is spent on the jedi.
The MBH is a MUCH more powerful force, at least until the FRS (IF that gives ANY significant bonus). Even with most of the time spent just mastering rather than collecting amazing weapons/armor or other items. Plus, the BH has no "long term" limiter (long term apparently signifying more than 2 minutes).
chewboywa wrote:
I will straighten this out for you, a Jedi that does not have a ~700 damage lightsaber or does not have master force wielder in their template will not be able to defeat a well equipped BH/MCM period. The Jedi will not be able to inflict enough damage to the bounty hunter, defender will not help much from the debuffs and dots, the Jedi will run out of mind or force before the bounty hunter runs out of mind from heals which only happens if a Jedi with a lightsaber of over 700 damage. As for me it is very easy to force a BH/CM into a constant healing loop very quickly because of my lightsaber, not because of my template but I did have master force wielder and choke sped that up. The only other way a Jedi can handle a BH/CM without a pre CURB lightsaber is Stasis and advanced forcerun.
Hasun wrote:
Your FOTM jedi template arn't you, no wonder you get owned by the Mcm/mbh template. If you hadn't have been a sheep and followed the rest of the jedi on your server you may have stumbled on the jedi template that can destroy a Mcm/mbh in minutes, without the use of a pre cu saber as well.
This is true. My saber is ~600 damage, and, if the BH is smart and has AB Sliced armor, they don't even try to kite me. They just sit there and tank me till my force runs out, lol. If the BH doesn't have AB sliced armor, I can take them out easy, regardless of their template.
UndaKuva wrote:
BH+lightning cannon = 5 seconds and u are dead
learn to heal
Hasun wrote:
Forget it, most of you post cu jedi won't be happy till you have the I win button. I feel really sorry for you pre-cu jedi that have to put up with the carebares.
Message Edited by Hasun on 09-25-2005 04:11 PM
Message Edited by Hasun on 09-25-2005 07:32 PM
I defeated a pre-pub 9 Jedi because he had accidently destroyed his ADKed saber w/o removing his pre-cu pearls and he had to buy new pearls that tuned crappy....
Now he is one of the exceptional Jedi of my server(skill at using the template wise) but he lost to me so easily...why? because he had a totally post-cu saber...stop whining you OLD JEDI and try to do something without your ADKed pre-cu saber and pre-cu pearls in it (reconsider your comment about I WIN BUTTON here)and you will see what these guys are talking about
But then again,you will never do that coz you can't be reasonable and face the truth heh...
Message Edited by KingVermir on 09-26-2005 01:46 AM
Message Edited by KingVermir on 09-26-2005 01:47 AM
Sturdune wrote:
With the current ability for Bounty Hunters to so easily meet theyre greatest potential...It is impossible for post-Cu Jedi to defend themselves fairly.
The true measure of ones strength is to explore ones maximum potential .The post-cu Jedi are extremely limited by the lack of ability to tune crystals/pearlsto damages that will enable them to defend themselves.The post-cu Jedi maximum potential is "CAPPED" here..We can only hope to improve through Ca's at this point. facing costs of 1-2 million per point.
The Bounty Hunters maximum potential is unrestricted.The maximum potential of a BH is . The access to capped 8100 energy protection armor with 75% AB slices.....maxed damage krayted weapons ....the resources to imobilize mind drain ... the ability to outheal Jedi ...and with the Uber loot drops the BH were uniquely granted the credits to obtain all of these readily.
The post -cu Jedi with CDEF sabers face hordes of MAXED out BH . When you compare the maximum capabilities of a post -cu Jedi to the maximum capabilities potential of any Bounty Hunters you will notice the Bounty Hunters are considerably stronger than post-cu Jedi .A balance must be made here for gameplay to function properly in my opinion. The relationship between Jedi and BH is like a finely tuned scale..and currently it is imbalanced.
DISCLAIMER My observations are from experience and i am compelled to post this . I am not whining nor complaining.I Just want no remarks when i refuse to grant BH a fight .Im on strike ...NO fights for you.I have defeated many BH i have swam before ..i was killed by only one .The future is bleak as a post-cu full temolate padawan even with maxed mods as it stands with the current balance..
Bounty Hunters maximum potential is greater than Post-cu Jedi maximum potential
and for the first 20 min i could not AB him, i had to use a holo and when i wass at 50% on my second force bar i used the health buff crystal to be able to channel non stop by just /kneel and channel and not attacking.... we both decided to leave the fight as it is and fight it out at another time.with this what i want to say is that a huge part of a bh being really good is their armor if it's 7k+ energy and it's AB sliced you could be in for a heck of a fight. but then again you have the ones that that have all the equipment because they have the creds and just can't do anything
but jedi biggest enemy right now is the 75% AB slice nothing else
I have not seen an undefeated MBH, nor I have a seen an Undeated Jedi.
Seems pretty balanced to me.
I don't know why Jedis complain about BH skills, and Bounty Hunter complain about Jedis skills.
If everyone is complaining then its fair for all sides.