Jedi Archive
Thread: Thoughts on the MCM/MBH problem
glim3mer wrote:
Im not going to explain jack to you tards beyond this point. We are talking about healing, thats it. We are not discussing if jedi have other options vs CM's options.
Healing for Healing. Jedi Heals 1500 in 6 seconds vs CM heals 1200+ 3times in 6 seconds.
Total Jedi 1500 < CM 3000+ ..... in 6 seconds.
If you dint go to school its your parents fault.
Either un-nerf healer from Jedi by removing 6 second timer and making 2 seconds OR nerf CM and add all 3 heals on the same timer AND put a 6 second cooldown.
At this point... I realise a bounch of scared CM's are going to throw themselves to try and protect there precious heals. Dont bother... The point is clear and CM needs adjusting. Either help Jedi, or get nerf CAUSE of jedi.
And you dumb tard I have a CM as well. Ive played both sides of the fence.
School is something you cant replace...
- Combat Medic's main mission is HEALING
- Jedi's main mission is NOT healing (unless a Master Healer)
- Nobody ever promised you that you would be able to heal nearly as well as a Combat Medic
If you can't deal with it, grow up.
The problem is here
Combat Medic Heals > Jedi Damage
That is not equal to "nerf combat medics", it could also mean fix saber damage, or just adjust mind cost associated to a CM's heals. After all, they aren't docs.
I saw Anjon (a very powerfull and respected MCM/MBH) fight a guildy of mine. The Jedi has all crystals above 110 damage, and -7, -8 and -9 FC on all of them. Overall a very powerfull pre-CU saber with a force cost of about 10. In short, a better saber than all post-CU Jedi can never have. Sure, after a long time, we get a chance of getting 4 great tunes, but it takes a lot of time, and a pre-cu saber will always be stronger. No problem there, only point is that the Jedi has a very high damge saber at a very little force cost.
It took the Jedi about an hour, and a holocron to be able to beat the combat medic. He won in the end, but after eating a holocron and using a weapon stronger than mine will every be.
Now, explain to me how would it be possible for me, with a 395dps saber and 34 force cost on it, to have a fair chance against a BH like that. I'm not saying I should have an 'I win' button, I'm asking for a fair chance. When a BH like comes for me and I lose, I can't even say "oh darn, I lost because i made this and that mistake. When i get into another fight, i'll be able to improve". I don't even have a fair chance.
So I did adapt, lost a few skills I wanted to go get improved force SAP. A skill I don't want since I don't really PvP that often, a skill that costs me a lot of skill points I would like to see somewhere else, but I took it becuse that gives me slightly better odds, although still not a fair fight.
Look at all post-cu jedi, and look at post-cu combat medics, compare the time it takes to grind, and figure the odds. Then you'll see that there is no balance there.
I can agree with alot of this post. I truly beleive if jedi spd mods and jedi were able to aquire the best components for their sabers the odds would be more in favor of the jedi. Its really rediculous that BH's and any other profession for that matter are able to aquire the best equipement to pvp and jedi cannot. Right now its no where near balanced. Do you think if spd mods and pearls were dropping jedi would be 1.5 times more powerful? I dont know but i would like to think so. I think the main reason MCM/BH is a powerful combo is because both professions work. If the rest of the professions worked we would nothavethese threads.Let them have their reign now, for when jedi is fixed i will not feel sorry for all the BH's that are sent to the cloners.
StrayS8 wrote:
i think your the one the needs to grow up and understand a second point of view, so far all you have done is talk out your a$$ about things you dontunderstand. i would pay to have your account brought to ahazi just so my bh could show you what real talent can do iwth the right shat!! let me know im for real about moving ur account , and trust me 1 week on the terms on ahazi you'll change ur mind. talk to anyone from ahaziif ur afraid to transfer ur account almost every jedi has been killed by me
FS characters can't be moved...which you knew before bringing this up since you are so uber leet and not a noob. Have you played on Flurry? Make a BH there and hunt me...show me how much better you are than the rest of the BH's. Let's see how you do against Vam, Eldrad, Skex, StaxRipa and the other bounty hunters on Flurry.
Its the saying i like the very least but in regards to this repeated Nerf call i've never said it before and i'm not proud to now
CRY MORE NOOB
Message Edited by Puttley on 09-13-2005 09:14 AM
Jadeddy wrote:
To the OP:
Awwwww, somone just got pwnt?
Na hasnt happend in a while as a matter of fact. My original post was to ask ppls opinions and to show concerns with both professions overall it also tried to tackle WHY ppl cry so much over the profession. With that being said, before you go and try to pull ignorant off topic jabbing, think about what your talking about first. Thinking before typing is a virtue you apparently lack. Now jus go back to your hole.
Message Edited by daetalus on 09-13-2005 12:13 AM
OhBuggah wrote:
glim3mer wrote:
Your on crack.First off you assume we are all FOTM Jedi. Second off you assume that most Jedi are noobs with no skills.Now... First thing is first... Your off topic. We are not talking about someone ability to play here, we are talking about CM having the ability to heal 3 times in 6 seconds vs Jedi healing once every 6 seconds.So back to the point.... as CM's you either support us in getting Jedi Heals Un-Nerfed OR we nerf your profession. Its that simple. Jedi needs healing balance for PvP and PvE. Yes most of us can beat a BH/Cm but thats not the point here. Get on topic please.
First off, the amount of exaggeration on the part of Jedi is outrageous. I just did a test of Bacta Toss and Bacta Toss. There is a 4 SECOND wait in-between those two heals. And those two heals cost roughly 20% of a combat medic's abilities pool -- that's the equivalent of a Jedi having a 1200 fc for each heal.Regarding Jedi templates, there are clearly some templates that are suited for PvP and others that are not ... Jedi support templates seem to come to mind. You complaining that every single Jedi template is not equal to Jedi templates suited to PvP (theJedi that can mitigate damage so much that the BH is only hitting you for 200 each time while you get to hit him for 500-600 each time) is like a MBH/Squad Leader complaining that he cannot kill a Jedi.Yes, most Jedi can beat MBH/MCM's, but the ones who can't are either severely outmatched vs. a skilled BH who has much experience in PvP, or the Jedi is a complete 'tard when it comes to PvP. The Devs can balance skill boxes, but what they cannot delegate is talent. A Jedi with the strongest PvP template in the world will always lose vs. a skilled BH if the Jedi is a complete 'tard.
Rofl. Thats pretty harsh though calling people tards just because they are no good at pvp. Ill be the first to admitt that im not the best at it. Ive always much more enjoyed cooperative mulitplayer play than player vs player. And i get my butt handed to me by bounty hunters gut it dont make me a tard though....lol atleast what you said gave me a little chuckle.