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Thread: Cloak may be nerfed according to Helios
IBeDaMaster wrote:
Wouldnt mind cloak being moved to master, but then mls should get something, maybe another advanced hit besides adv. saber throw and derverish. Right now the only things i see bad about cloak are the exploits(attacking while cloaked), people pvp healing, and running through things like the vette untouched. Why should it be moved to master anyways?
They need to give us a respec if they do something like this. I understand perhaps not for the BHs, but we would need one because of the time and amount of exp it takes. If this were to happen, it would ruin my template. It's centered around cloak.
Blixtev wrote:
Post CU we did see many uses of cloak that were never intended when it was implemented. This seemed an opportune time to clean it up
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Ahh just make us lvl 1 and make us use glowsticks with rocks for crystals.
Everyone would like to be uber but Jedi is suppose to be alpha.
-They nerfed us when they changed our dmg - SBD can smoke us now while before they where vunerable to us.
-Our sabers should be Lightsaber dmg not energy. Man a Lightsaber cuts throught starship hulls but we cant dmg a BH in Ris?
-If it was not all the grind time (1300xp per kill give or take)i did to get Jedi I would drop it and take like TKA/Swords/DOc to be uber. And get a Weaponsmith to craft me a real weapon.
JEDI SUKX NOW and will prob get worse cuz of how many there are now. The 2x xp and respec was worst thing that SOE ever did and now they cant fix it. So NERF Jedi that way not as many peps would want it.
Take Kotor for example Light Side has certain Powers and Dark has same. Make it same for us or similar.
I hope they make Jedi more like they are In the Movies and less like a Reward that stinks at the end of a Long grind. Its like grinding for 3 months straight to get a CDef pistol Cert as reward...Would you?
Ya put Snare on Cloak and 1000 Force cost 30 sec timer, also why not put a 5 second delay on AB, and healing is too fast now and we heal 2 much maybe put a 20 sec timer and heal for 500 max.
I was a MDef and enjoyed AI not for PvP but for helping others now i dropped it cuz its worthless.
Oh while where at it aura is too hi at 500 drop it to maybe 350 and put a timer on re-use, and Force Armor does not consume enought force double it.
SOE LEAVE JEDI AS IS FOR NOW AND FIX FRS, HE!! WITH SKILLS
Yoiaholic1 said
After reading that I don't see anything wrong with the way they are handling cloak.
IF and its a big if, it gets a snare I would have no problem with that. I'm a master defender and my most powerful ability has a snare and huge force cost....
Compare AI and cloak. They are both similar as when activated you will not be killed (or attacked in cloaks case). Why should I have my master skill gimped to the point of being nearly unusable and someone with the 4th tier dabbler box be able to escape any battle in the same manner that AI was used for previously.
If the snare is bothering you I don't get it. You might move slower but you still cannot be attacked. Either way, you'll get away or rest long enough to fight again.
The restriction on healing I like as well. Jedi healing does not show up on the combat log and it is really disheartening to see someone being healed by a cloaked jedi during pvp. As soon as I see that, its time to area attack. If you want to assist your friends you should be vulnerable much like healing receives aggro in pve.
Where were all the non defenders screaming when AI was diminished? I don't think the powers users should expect sympathy either.
Now why I can see why yoru in the shut up they nerfed my master box why not cloak mood this is why nobody but Master Defenders cry'd about AI getting nerfed.
AI was not used as an excape ability all the time as you depicted it more often than not it was used to simply attack people over & over again without ever having to worry about gettign killed & then if you still couldn't own people only then was it used as an escape & once fought a MDEF for 15 min & he used AI at least 15 times he used it instead of healing & continued to attack me.
Now if I could attack while cloaked I could see yoru point about nerfing it into uselessness but the fact is it is a Master Powers users only defense whileI can see teh point about healing others while cloaked & even see the plint about moving it to tehMASTER BOX I realy think its fine how it is & where it is & I am a Master Powers user.
I say fix the bugs with it stop the ability to heal others if you must even move it to a Master Powers box but I better be able to use it & still heal myself & without a stupid snare. Oh & if they increese the force cost to it like AI I'm jsut going to cry... Powers even after the last time they cut down the force cost by 50% we are still using a ridiculous amount of force already this would jsut be the last straw.
If they move cloak to master, i suggest they make a new skill in its place or Powers will be a DEAD profession. You will have to make it to Master Powers, just to have all the cool skills. Choke and Cloak. Thats it!
I think powers needs to impliment a new skill.Perhaps one from KOTOR, Force Drain I think its called....where the dark jedi saps health/force from the other jedi and it replenishes himself. That would be a good new skill, and then could move Cloak to the Master Box.
This would also give the Master Powers users a skill that will help them heal so HEALER isn't a *requirement*, like it is now.
Message Edited by Soulcaster on 09-17-2005 12:30 PM
That paragraph made me smile, trust me it takes alot to make me smile.
Soulcaster wrote:
If they move cloak to master, i suggest they make a new skill in its place or Powers will be a DEAD profession. You will have to make it to Master Powers, just to have all the cool skills. Choke and Cloak. Thats it!
I think powers needs to impliment a new skill.Perhaps one from KOTOR, Force Drain I think its called....where the dark jedi saps health/force from the other jedi and it replenishes himself. That would be a good new skill, and then could move Cloak to the Master Box.
This would also give the Master Powers users a skill that will help them heal so HEALER isn't a *requirement*, like it is now.
Message Edited by Soulcaster on 09-17-2005 12:30 PM
i've been saying it for awhile.....we need better force powers....like in kotor....but i'm currently re-grinding master powers......but i dont kno now......I had 2 master cm/bh come for me AT THE SAME TIME! If i didnt have cloak.....i would have died TWICE....thats 800K loss........now normally i would have been able tom get away with out cloak but 2 cm/bhs both with mega damage....basicly 30 seconds and i would have been dead......move it to the master box....that fixes everything...it doesnt need to be nerfed....its out only avade skill
DaHyPe wrote:
This is gay, can't even keep a template and have time to really learn it, because of all the nerfs.
I essentially agree with the emphasis. Nerf pearls so we cannot have reasonable equitable damage to counterparts in a forced PVP situation. Soooooooo, now you nerf powers so we cannot use stealth either?
Keep up the nerfwagon, devs. I'm sure Raph's "Theory o' Fun" will keep the game warm when all the people YOU KEEP ADVERTISING TO JOIN THE GAME AND BECOME A JEDI start to understand you change the damn rules every 2 weeks.
Standards? Right.