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Thread: What is the best template against BH besides running?
firelight25 wrote:
Always remember, it's the Bounty Hunters Job to hunt you, it's NOT you job to fight him, only survive. As the FRS has been put on hold, or killed, you gain nothing beyond pvp score points for killing them. Not worth the risk most of the time.
QFE!
Jedi often complain that they have no reason to fight a BH, and generally they are right! As a BH I consider it my job to kill you. If I fail (regardless of the reason) then I fail. I will call you a coward or try to convince you to fight some other way simply so that I do not fail. Just live. I understand if you would like the thrill of combat (and for what it is worth, despite whines to the contrary, Jedi are more powerful then MBH's). However, never feel bad for running! (unless of course I am after you then you are simply a coward who should come out of your house andlie prone with your saber uneqquiped!)
ALARIA wrote:
ALARIA wrote:
LOL if ranged def wasn't bugged, LOL. Hopefully everyone has seen the post regarding this. I shall repeat it regardless...
Ranged Def ONLY helps if YOU are ranged. AKA using a ranged Weapon.
Melee Def ONLY helps if YOU are Melee. AKA saber or other Melee weapon.
These statements have been tested repeatdly on every server I know. Don't waste SPs on the X4XX tree in Def if you're not also gettig it for the Innate Armor or going MD. Also don't bother w/ ranged Def. Foods. Test it yourself, most ppl have modified their templates b/c of this. To my knowledge this isn't working as intended, but infact a bug. Of course the XXX4 tree in Def still ups your blocking, combined w/ MLS and vayorblock food, you will be much harder to hit.
So, just to be Very clear on this, Ive been taking thunder ranged defense drink for nothing?
that unless im currently holding a ranged weapon IN my hand, ranged defense is not added in ANY way what so ever?
What IS Aura then, when It adds +500 ranged and melee defense? Cuz I KNOW that the aura defense IS helping vs ranged. Please to clearify.
Ya, it's upping your melee def. Melee and ranged def are messed up, you need to think of them in dif. terms. You have been wasting the foods, as upping your ranged def does nothing for you, unless you're using a ranged weapon. Here is the deal. Just think of it as 2 def numbers. You have 200 ranged def. and 250 melee. So your def when you are unarmed/melee is higher. It's like switching weapons from a pistol and a rifle. Rifle def only helps while you are using the rifle. Same goes for Melee/Ranged def now. As for Aura, it adds to both, so you should use that on a looping macro.
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No, No. I mean against ranged BH. when I put aura on, +500, it DEFINATELY helps. and Im still holding LS.
this HAS to be increased ranged defense vs thier ranged weapon. Theres No way I can think of that increased Melee def is helping out VS BH. Please to Clearify. ALARIA.
He's already clarified it. Aura gives +500 defense. That affects both ranged and melee defense. Only the melee side of it is working. Defense is stupidly based off the weapon YOU are holding, not the weapon the attacker is holding.
Your thundercloud does nothing for you. use the vegesperine stuff.
It is 100% true and you can thank the Chef's over in their forum for figuring this out, as it was them that alerted EVERYONE to this.
Message Edited by Grunzer on 10-16-2005 01:05 AM
Ranged Def ONLY helps if YOU are ranged. AKA using a ranged Weapon.
Melee Def ONLY helps if YOU are Melee. AKA saber or other Melee weapon.
These statements have been tested repeatdly on every server I know. Don't waste SPs on the X4XX tree in Def if you're not also gettig it for the Innate Armor or going MD. Also don't bother w/ ranged Def. Foods. Test it yourself, most ppl have modified their templates b/c of this. To my knowledge this isn't working as intended, but infact a bug. Of course the XXX4 tree in Def still ups your blocking, combined w/ MLS and vayorblock food, you will be much harder to hit.
So, just to be Very clear on this, Ive been taking thunder ranged defense drink for nothing?
that unless im currently holding a ranged weapon IN my hand, ranged defense is not added in ANY way what so ever?
What IS Aura then, when It adds +500 ranged and melee defense? Cuz I KNOW that the aura defense IS helping vs ranged. Please to clearify.
Ya, it's upping your melee def. Melee and ranged def are messed up, you need to think of them in dif. terms. You have been wasting the foods, as upping your ranged def does nothing for you, unless you're using a ranged weapon. Here is the deal. Just think of it as 2 def numbers. You have 200 ranged def. and 250 melee. So your def when you are unarmed/melee is higher. It's like switching weapons from a pistol and a rifle. Rifle def only helps while you are using the rifle. Same goes for Melee/Ranged def now. As for Aura, it adds to both, so you should use that on a looping macro.
He's already clarified it. Aura gives +500 defense. That affects both ranged and melee defense. Only the melee side of it is working. Defense is stupidly based off the weapon YOU are holding, not the weapon the attacker is holding.
Your thundercloud does nothing for you. use the vegesperine stuff.
It is 100% true and you can thank the Chef's over in their forum for figuring this out, as it was them that alerted EVERYONE to this.
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Sigh. IF, I am holding a Melee weapon, then I am ONLY getting Melee defense. This is what You are telling me. And a Saber IS a melee weapon.
Yet I activate aura +500 and ranged attacks are sliding off me better than with out.
This sounds to me, like it is contradicting what you are telling me.
ie: you seem to be saying that with saber in hand, I am ONLY getting a +500 MELEE defense boost, NOT a +500 ranged one as well.
But that would mean that Melee defense, is helping me vs Ranged attacks. Do you Not see my confusion here?
I accept that FOODS are bugged, and wont give me ranged def bonus.
But as master defender, saber IN hand, and aura activated, I sure seem to be getting some decent RANGED defense.
PS: Asking other old school jedi on my server, some are telling me that Jedi GET all the defenses as if exempt from the "which weapon you are holding" theory. So I really dont know What to believe here, and thus, I am looking for concise clearifications. ALARIA.
I havent read all the posts because its like up to 41. So if this info was already put in, I apologize. It seems to me that you want to give up alot of defender in order to get enough enhancer to make some difference. I myself am a 4440 defender. I believe the innate armor and the melee defense (or ranged) is a good addition too. Of course, force aura is a must (never tried force armor). Those things will help you survive first strikes as well as give you more damage mitigation. I find this to be important as I can spend less time keeping myself healed and more time attacking. Most bh's are able to root or snare. So (though I dont have a full grip on the changes coming yet) fr gives you the ability to keep that bh in range. Anywhere up to 32 meters and he's mine! Othere than that, everything else is a plus.
While the template fits your playstyle and some do have more advantages than others, the #1 thing is skill with you template. I cannot stress this enough. I've seen more than one powerful template and the only real way to stand up to a bh is to learn how to play your toon well. Timing is everything!
The way defenses is work is like this:
Ranged Def- Your defense while wielding a ranged weapon
Melee Def- Your defense while wielding a melee weapon
Therefore in defender the only defense that applies is melee def, currently the x4xx line is broken even to a Master Force Wielder who is completely ranged in her/his attacks.
The way it does not work:
Ranged Def- Your defense against ranged weapons
Melee Def- Your defense against melee weapons
Aura adds 500 to both melee and ranged which is just silly considering the way it works ( since Jedi only wield a melee weapon).
Hope that cleared it up.
Indiana Reayle
Right now, it's the NAMES of the defenses that matter, and how they apply:
melee defense, while YOU are using melee weapon
Ranged defense, while YOU are using ranged weapon.
Ok, so lets say you have +250 MELEE defense, and say +90 ranged. If you get attacked, while holding your saber, it automaticly gives you +250 Ranged, and Melee Defense... it pulls both ranged and melee defense from whatever category you fall under. So for jedi, melee defense equals both melee, and ranged defense.
So yes, ranged foods your taking arn't doing a thing.
Aura gives +500 general defense, this applies to both