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Thread: Could the devs give us a WHY?
Twilekku wrote:
Mr_Desert wrote:
TrueFett wrote:
1) LOL
2) LOL
3) LOL
4) LOL
Glad to see you are able to communicate an effective arguement towards the we are being nerfed however you cannot and I know you cannot. Please run off to your galaxy baord instead of here where some of us are trying to explain to those shortsighted people why changes are made.
It is so clearly people like yourself that continually whine and continue to add to the changes that are being made all the time without THINKING before you post or jumping to conclusions.
The game is not jsut about the skills you have but also about how they onteract with other skills, the foods and spice you use, the advantages terrain provides etc etc etc
IT ISNT A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER WHERE ALL IS = yet this community seems to want to turn it into it so they can change their whiny flames from he is better than me so nerf him as I dont have that skill in my templateto they had more people than me so I was ganked so please reduce group size down to 4, no 2, no make it no groups infact.
Was a reply to the first line of the post, if you havent come up with a decent return arguement by now I suggest you give up as you like soooo many others only serve to reduce the game for others.
Twilekku wrote:
Mr_Desert wrote:
Can you read the sig? Pre9 thx.
tezzla wrote:
Mr_Desert wrote:
Twilekku wrote:
Mr_Desert wrote:
Grienthumb wrote:
I would love to NOT hear these whining posts.
/agree
You are not getting nerfed, read the patch notes then tell us why you are being nerfed.
Read the patch notes and tell us whats NOT being nerfed....
Please tell me
1) Which of you current skills do not already have action cost
2) Please tell me the % of action cost for heals
3) Please tell me the effect the changes to action cost will have to CM's as well as other professions
4) Please tell me exactly what you have an issue with
Or go elsewhere
Well apparentyl another non-jedi tring to tell jedi what is going on,
1) skills have action cost yes, so much in fact your strongest attack runs your action dry BEFORE you do any effective damage.
2) at a guess judgeing from the fact you get 5-6 hits before action pool is drained oh maybe 20-30%
3) CM's and other profesions will be winning the fights as most of them that actually fight have at minimum the heal tree of doc or CM and there base weapon does on average 500-1000dps higher then the best sabre on the sever.
4) issue is that a jedi should not be flat out owned by a guy who just bought the game last week, I can take hits all day long but if i attack ill be out of action and force anywhere between 3/4 and 1/2 while do to the massive healing ablitys of the skills i cant get I am still looking at a full HAM on the bh in question.
There stated intention of a timer for force channel and heal was because they want the jedi to have to step off from a fight to heal, great plan considering there is not a self respecting BH on the server that will let you go heal when he is near collecting his/her payout. If you were smart it was possible to get away from the bh and maybe recharge mind or force now any basic snare will stop your step off from the fight to heal which equals many dead jedi and no dead BH.
once again SOE has decided that one class such as jedi do to there inablity to think causeing a jedi population explosion means we all have to die now repeatedly to make us quit the game thereby fixing there screwup. great plan, kill subscriptions. go soe.
LOOOOOOL feck it, sorry i didnt recognize you first MAJESTY
what an honor to meet the INVENTOR, PROGRAMMER, and PRODUCER or SWG in person
of course everything we dared posting here is wrong and all u said i right...
forgive us little nothings my lord
LOOOOOOL feck it, sorry i didnt recognize you first MAJESTY
what an honor to meet the INVENTOR, PROGRAMMER, and PRODUCER or SWG in person
of course everything we dared posting here is wrong and all u said i right...
forgive us little nothings my lord
LOOOOOOL feck it, sorry i didnt recognize you first MAJESTY
what an honor to meet the INVENTOR, PROGRAMMER, and PRODUCER or SWG in person
of course everything we dared posting here is wrong and all u said i right...
forgive us little nothings my lord
StraboV2 wrote:
I don't usually post on these kinds of threads but theservers are down and there's still nothing to read from our corro. First to all the BH trollers and people who think Jedi is the Alpha class, umm..no..we're not. Last night I watched a full temp Jedi Knight and a MBH/CM in leather armor both get all their foods and abilities into place then fight one on one...we watched for an hour and a half...the Jedi stayed alive without force using stims and running to regenerate then turning again to fight and so on and so on...in the end the BH said he had to go for RL reasons and broke off the fight...now...MBH/CM doesn't take all that long to get..and like someone said ealier regular profs take a few weeks (the hardest ones) to get. But they can stand toe to toe with what is considered a legendary figure such as a Jedi with ease. Do I want Jedi to be uber? no not at all. I RP mine and rarely fight...but I don't think them hugely overpowered is my point, stronger than most yes, but not by much, certain regular combos are much stronger however.
I mean people can complain about things all they want...but seriously if you want to get into the nitty gritty part...Novice Brawler has knockdown recovery but a full temp Jedi doesn't...is that silly? yes. Do I care? not really. The real problem in this game IS PVP, it's the only reason people whine, the only reason people complain and beg for nerfs....last time I checked no one complained a Jedi helped them go to the DWB and get that Mando armor...I think 99% of the whining would vanish if PVP was taken away, or maybe moved to designated spots like battlegrounds which haven't been used in oh..2 years?, this WAS supposed to be a role playing game was it not? and as was said on launch..not for mega loot or hardcore pvp'ers...forget the professions when is the Star Wars story going to get some attention? when will crafters be lured back into the game? when will entertainers be paid some attention and smugglers made smugglers and not loot hunters?
There's more to the game than PVP I for one have been playing since launch and RP 100% of my online time and enjoy it immensley, some people should try it you might be suprised. But while it's a useless plea do drop the class fighting and nerf calling. I mean if I go off and hunt alone...does it really matter what my skills are? does it affect you? if some other character with Uber weapons and armor is going around rolling over stuff by his self away from other characters do I care? no. If they make a nusaince of themselves report them (if SOE cares...another big one) If my lightsaber does less damage than a BH weapon do I care? no..yay for him, he'll never find me on the terms anyway and if I am, oh well it's only a game and there's lots of time. The less people come on the forums and whine after getting whipped in one duel they were ill equipped for the less we might see nerfs in any of the classes. Anyway go play and have fun...oh yeah and give us an update Mr Corro
Well some of us enjoy the aspect of being involved in the GCW I personally have alot of fun at it, this would be gone if they restricted or removed pvp. Yes its easy to stay off the terms if you never defend a base and generally dont go for that kinda thing but, for me i enjoy it and by doing it I get vis by getting vis i am forced into a fight where my methods of possibly winning the fight are fast disappearing, i can take hits all day long but, do I really want to stand there till the BH gets bored ? not really. Logic would tell a person in a fight for your life use your strongest attack, trouble is it sucks the action pool dry already now they want to add more action cost, tring to keep up with the heals drains the mind pool so now you cant heal, unless you have stasis or something to stop the bh for a 1 or so you cant do enough damage to a BH/DOC or CM fast enough to win the fight, not based on dps, its a matter of out lasting there mind pool which they now have a method of makeing that not at all drain, so there you go your on a constant drain of force and mind against a target that can afford to stand there till you run dry cause worse case scenario the mark will leave, at least until the new patch comes and stops that to.
Its going to turn into a matter of any jedi that ever gets hunted will die is apparently the way there heading, no one enjoys looseing everytime and each time we adapt and learn how to deal with it they change whatever we use to survive the fight so its no longer effective.
In addition to this they turned off the FRS without a plan to replace it and knowing this is where jedi got a good portion of there strength they completly ignore the fact its off and i am thinking have no intentiion of turning it back on at this rate the game will be so low on subscriptions there going to end up throwing a half baked FRS system out there in a despirate attept to lure back the customers they ran off by ignoreing the issue.
We PAY for this game, imo we should hear more from the dev's, they don't have to give secrets away, but talk to us a little more, they cause more problems by not keeping us informed, by not keeping us informed, rumors start, and tempers flair over stories we are led to believe are true, things like they can fix combat medic dot's in a day or 2 but can't fix pearl drops, tell us why, is there a bigger plan down the road, or something. A little information on the frs would be nice they gota know players are getting very board with no frs, nothing to do, the new expansion, is all.
Come on dev's give talk to the people that may your pay check possible.. it will bring balance to the forums
Kevlarto wrote:
We PAY for this game, imo we should hear more from the dev's, they don't have to give secrets away, but talk to us a little more, they cause more problems by not keeping us informed, by not keeping us informed, rumors start, and tempers flair over stories we are led to believe are true, things like they can fix combat medic dot's in a day or 2 but can't fix pearl drops, tell us why, is there a bigger plan down the road, or something. A little information on the frs would be nice they gota know players are getting very board with no frs, nothing to do, the new expansion, is all.
Come on dev's give talk to the people that may your pay check possible.. it will bring balance to the forums
There is a plan. Every company has a plan. Good or bad. The future of this game is locked behind a wall of secrecy and NDA's. For whatever reason, I dont know. I am willing to bet you... almost with no doubt in my mind, that regardless of what is said, this Obi wan trial thing is in fact the Knight trials. I just have a gut feeling about it.
I understand what your saying Tezz, and know where your coming from...and I know alot of people play this to solely PVP...but again that argument invariably turns toward the need for dedicated PVP and RP servers. It's not easy for the two to co-exist and the Dev's have done a lackluster job in balancing and making such an environment enjoyable...I mean 2 1/2 years since launch and they are still balancing...should be obvious to them they are failing in their jobs. Perhaps they need to re-work the TEF system as well...or bring back the old one. I know people will yell at me about gank squads but really if a Imp or Rebel Colonel was getting beat up amidst his own men....why wouldn't they jump the guy? Sadly though that would just lead the way to more whining and nerfing...
It just seems to me that since the BH vs Jedi thing has begun those two classes have become the focus of patches nerfs and hotfixes and all in the name of Respec PVP'ers or ill equipped players crying foul...I say something more drastic needs to be done than a nerf war...I bet no one even noticed that Scout has/will lost forage which means no more fishing...someone might even say "What? whats fishing got to do with it??" and my response is...nothing, it was fun and now it's gone...becoming a common thing isn't it?
StraboV2 wrote:I understand what your saying Tezz, and know where your coming from...and I know alot of people play this to solely PVP...but again that argument invariably turns toward the need for dedicated PVP and RP servers. It's not easy for the two to co-exist and the Dev's have done a lackluster job in balancing and making such an environment enjoyable...I mean 2 1/2 years since launch and they are still balancing...should be obvious to them they are failing in their jobs. Perhaps they need to re-work the TEF system as well...or bring back the old one. I know people will yell at me about gank squads but really if a Imp or Rebel Colonel was getting beat up amidst his own men....why wouldn't they jump the guy? Sadly though that would just lead the way to more whining and nerfing...
It just seems to me that since the BH vs Jedi thing has begun those two classes have become the focus of patches nerfs and hotfixes and all in the name of Respec PVP'ers or ill equipped players crying foul...I say something more drastic needs to be done than a nerf war...I bet no one even noticed that Scout has/will lost forage which means no more fishing...someone might even say "What? whats fishing got to do with it??" and my response is...nothing, it was fun and now it's gone...becoming a common thing isn't it?
no more fishin!?????
bah.... roast in hell soe
StraboV2 wrote:
Novice Brawler has knockdown recovery but a full temp Jedi doesn't...is that silly? yes. Do I care? not really.
Message Edited by ArranSound on 10-13-2005 08:32 AM
StraboV2 wrote:
I don't see it anywhere in the skill tree : / *shakes fist at skill tree* well in any case that wasn't the point
force progression box
PLease tell me what a AI is worth if the npc wont attack
Please tell me why a Novice Carbiner should be able to overwrite a Jedi Master Box Force Run with a friggin Snare
Those action costs arent the point here tbh
Message Edited by Twilekku on 10-13-2005 02:12 PM
Exactly. The one defense most Jedi could count on to escape gank squads was running. Against a ranged attacker, the Jedi could close the distance and dish out damage with a saber. Now we can do neither. With the saber block nerf that occured a while back, we are dead meat to a good ranged attacker who can stick us in place.
I see two options: either let us run to/from an attacker, or up the saber block again so we can stand and stare at each other. The current build is idiotic.
The whole point should be to have abilities that counter one another. Raising our saber block would counter ranged professions who in turn could keep their distance from our sabers with the latest nerf...that is BALANCED. And, yes, under the FRS the saber block will increase...probably for the best fight clubbers.
I have no issue with the latest nerf so long as we have a counter. Forcing everyone to become a master enhancer so we can try to use stasis is not the answer...and even that won't work so well given the 32m attack range...
Wolf
Message Edited by Wolf24601 on 10-13-2005 08:45 AM