Jedi Archive

(Though I will say sounds to me like you think the only people who should be able to be Jedi are pre-pub 9 folks. First time I've heard someone who claims they want to be a coorespondent railing to kick out as many people as possible from his own profession. You sound a bit eliteist to me. In your "vision of a new jedi order" I guess there's no room for anyone who doesn't want to play your way. )

Message Edited by Vegitaa on 10-26-2005 08:04 AM

I also notice you brought up the risk vs reward thing again. You make it very clear that we take all the risk, where's the exp/skill loss for the BH? You want to further nerf Jedi to "weed out" those that you call "carebears" but don't you realize there are some of us in the middle?

I have no problems with Saber TEF, and every Special Forces member in the area being able to gank my exp if I hit the wrong hotkey, but on the otherhand are forgetting all the griefing and bugs that happened back then.

I love how you all talk about the good ol days, well they were never that good to begin with. Jedi always had problems like load ganking. Also be reinstituting Saber TEF that means BH gank groups return. 1 BH and 7 of his CM/SL/Riflemen friends go Special Forces and gank Jedi left and right causing you all to lose skills. How does this help again?

So, basically you believe anyone that is not "Uber Leet" pvpers should be kicked out of Jedi and whatever they did (prior to CU or not) to get there. Also, all Jedi should just deal with the fact that gank groups will grief them as much as possible to remove their skills. For someone who says they understand our prof so well and claims to be "our next coorespondent" it sounds to me like you could care less about what the Jedi community has become and just want to limit it to you and your uber dudz buddies.

Yeah, thats good for the game andthe Jedi community. If you can't balance it, grief them into quitting while you and 20 of your friends sit back and become the last Jedi on a server about to shut down.

God forbid anyone have fun doing anything besides PvP. How dare Jedi go questing, they should all be standing in front of Theed duelling all day. Though I see the merit in some of what you're proposing you need to realize that this Jedi community is more than just PvP now. It's a little of both here and there. Whats wrong with that? Why can't a Jedi player do it all?

You want to slow Jedi progression, close the village or gate it further. Change the way Jedi is obtained. But instead of pulling this class warfare crap (PvE'ers are Carebears, PvP'ers are Leet) understand that 90% of Jedi are somewhere in the middle of that range. We like to go have fun with our guilds and go questing, we also enjoy a good fun BH encounter as well as throwing a saber or two at a base every now and then. It shouldn't have to be one or the other. Why not be able to enjoy ALL of the content in game PvP and PvE included.

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Message Edited by Vegitaa on 10-26-2005 08:17 AM

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Court-Jester wrote:

New Jedi Order

We must get back to our origins if we are to survive as a viable and powerful class. Make no mistake, we are on a decline that is being helped along by those within our ranks. It is time to purge those that cannot live up to the high standards we should all hold ourselves to. It is time to begin anew.

We must begin to reinstitute risks back into our profession and we must do it now. Without RISK there is no REWARD.

Outlined below is how we can begin to champion our revival. We must all take one for the team if we ever want to regain our former glory. So, with that said...I propose the following.

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Instituted Saber Tefs
A. 5 minute timer
B. Anyone of the opposing faction can attack during the duration of the saber tef
- Rebels would be attackable by Imperials and Neutrals
- Imperials would be attackable by Rebels and Neutrals
- Neutrals would be attackable by Rebels and Imperials
C. Groups do not add to visibility (as it is today, however, it would be important to not group with others if they are not of the same faction)
D. What generates a saber tef?
-Any combat action involving force powers
1. Powers
2. Saber
3. Jedi crowd controls (ala debuffs, snares, roots, etc)
-Any non-combat action involving force powers
1. Healing
2. Enhancing
- Any activating/equipping or un-equipping of Jedi items
1. Robes
2. Sabers
3. New Cloaks
Bring back and adjust Cloning penalties and Bounty Hunter death penalties
A. Make it 200k per clone per lvl within Jedi
- 0 skill points to 89 skill points 200k
- 90 skill points to 178 skill points 400k
- 179 kill points to 226 skill points 600k
B. Tier Bounty Hunter Deaths appropriate to Jedi skill lvl
- 1000 per skill point at or below 40 skill points invested
- 2000 per skill point at or below 80 skill points invested
- 3000 per skill point at or below 120 skill points invested
- 4000 per skill point at or below 160 skill points invested
- 5000 per skill point above 161 skill points invested
1. Bring back Terminals showing names
2. Allow grouping to take on Jedi again
Institute skill loss again
A. Make skill loss effect Jedi based on negative experience
- At negative 2 million 1 Box lost (Jedi’s Choice)
- At negative 4 million 1 Box lost (Jedi’s Choice)
- At negative 6 million 1 Box lost (Jedi’s Choice)
- At negative 8 million 1 Box lost (Jedi’s Choice)
- At negative 10 million 1 Box lost (Jedi’s Choice and cap hit)
Experience Caps
A. Adjust positive cap to 10 million
B. Keep negative cap at 10 million

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When all of these are instituted, give a 6 month cool down before our power is beefed up. This should begin to shelve and clean out the Jedi population and allow us to regain our former glory. In addition to this, there will be no removal of us from the Galactic Civil War and any additional power doesn’t necessarily need to translate into PvE.

Realize this. Jedi is a PvP based profession. We are meant to be rare and extremely powerful. We are meant to be hunted and feared. Feel free to flame; however, you will just be justifying our own demise. There hasn’t been significant risk in the Jedi profession for quite some time. This is an attempt to get it back.

Whiney Jedi have lead to the downturn of this profession. We are not a PvE centric profession. We are not a ‘weekend warrior’ class. This was never meant to be ground out in a few weekends.

I am open for suggestions to improve this idea and I would highly suggest people think about it before opening their mouth.

Finally, I have thought about this in great depth, however, just because I haven’t written everything down to hand hold the weak minded through my logic, doesn’t mean this is not a viable option. You (and I use that term loosely to define anyone reading this) need to realize that many issues above and beyond these ideas would require far too much attention at this point in time. The purpose of this is to get people back on track and to once again make Jedi the powerhouse that is rare and difficult.

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CaldaOrdo wrote:

I am a bh, and i endorse this message...lol

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borgoliath wrote:

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CaldaOrdo wrote:

I am a bh, and i endorse this message...lol

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Why do you endorse it, is it because you cant kill any jedi?

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Message Edited by Malicious1 on 10-26-2005 10:32 AM

Oh yeah, and it wasn't the "whiney Jedi" that nerf'ed our profession. It was the "Leet DuD3Z" running around owning 20 players at a time and killing anyone that dared to go overt. PermaDeath had to go (and can't come back) because now it's your MAIN that becomes the Jedi. It was BH cries of "OMG Jedi PwnZorred Me!" that got us nnerfed. It was Exploiting Jedi. It was every prof (except melee stackers) getting owned within seconds of initiating combat that got Jedi nerf'ed.

The fact that Jedi is nearly required for high end content as well as the attitude of you supposed "originalist" Jedi that are going to lead to more nerf's. Instead of torpedoing this community why aren't you trying to help it. You go out of your way to alienate those of us who didn't have an oppurtuinty to unlock pre-pub 9 because Hologrinding was hard? Gimmie a break, you people afk macro'ed through 90% of the profs in the game. Do the math, it costs more exp to do it the village way now. I wasn't willing to change profs 32 times on my toon to get some glowstick.

You started playing before someone else so you deserve to have it your way? I started playing Beta 3 too, so does that mean my opinion should matter more? It's too late, the DEV's changed the way to get Jedi, the DEV's hit us with nerf's. The DEV's broke pearl drops.

• Saber TEF = Gank squads (you "pre-pub 9'ers" whined day in and day out about that.. hence gone.)

Bring it back, scale up the exp loss, make it so we can go grind without a group again, make it so we can survive 8 full template players ganking us... I have no problem with that. 6 month cooldown = 50% cancelled accts and SWG going even further downhill. Your short-sightedness will be your downfall.

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Malicious1 wrote:

as long as his account has days on it he can post,you sir need a time out...points to corner sit in the corner your little mind painted you in

Message Edited by Malicious1 on 10-26-200510:32 AM

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i just want to say, all of us regular players are getting tired of the Devs doing whatever the Jedi want, they want Gank squad gone....no more gank squads, they want less bh's hunting them....they move the jedi hunting skill to master, they want cm nerfed.....it's about to get nerfed, there is a lot of broken professions...stop whining and let them fix them, i mean Commando stinks, so does Ranger, and Smuggler....be quiet and play!

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PanzerIV wrote:

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borgoliath wrote:

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CaldaOrdo wrote:

I am a bh, and i endorse this message...lol

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Why do you endorse it, is it because you cant kill any jedi?

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your leaving game...or so you say. quit trollling..

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Message Edited by borgoliath on 10-26-2005 07:43 AM