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Thread: No, Jedi are NOT 1.5x stronger

JeetBadwarrior
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:44 am
#40

Im sure they hose 8 dancer just as fast as they hosed 8 reg combat proffession...and the saber block was list as 80%..but plenty of testing went in to it both on the jedi side and bh and the figure came out anywhere for 90% to 95%, 99% percent was a hyperbole but you get the idea



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Orthell
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:47 am
#41

All I want to know if 1.5x stronger compared to what? My MBH/Master Rifles/CM4000 can dish some serious damage and heals. IMHO Jedi need some love here, they've been abused since the CU. And the force usage is messed up I believe, my normies can clean out a lair without any breaks to restore force, my alt can outheal my Jedi and outdamage. But my Jedi can heal on her back and take a pounding at least.

I don't believe in the 1.5x stronger, not with pearls and my LS the way it is.







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jonstraf
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:55 am
#42



WookieOgre wrote:

Yep the profession has been nerfed. I do agree there were things that bothered me Pre-CURB that did need some balance, 85% block would have been just stupid in this combat system. Negating an entire class by an innate skill, impossible to keep considering everyone and their mom has a Jedi. Maybe if only some Jedi had this ability but the entire class had it, gamebreaking to Ranged professions. That was just one example too.l

I say you are making a mistake, sure Jedi is underpowered and IMO a joke for the work most of the older Jedi had to go through but consider this.....devs have yet to release the FRS. IMO that is going to make or break this profession. Yeah I know, that means you have to wait 4-6 months so maybe the answer is take a break, check the forums every month to see when the FRS comes out. I'm hoping that it somehow separates a Jedi Knight from a Padawan power wise. Now I may be a little to optimistic but I do believe at some point Jedi will need a revamp. Publish 9 designed the Jedi class for a different combat system, that is all too obvious. I mean it's such none sense that the very thing that was supposed to balance us not wearing armor was removed (ls damage), I'm kind of shocked not a lot of Jedi really complain about this because IMO that's a huge advantage right out of the box.

Such a shame that the devs couldn't get Jedi prepared for the CURB, I blame top management for this though as their time schedules force the devs into situations they have to do a half ass job programming.






Very good post. Thank you.



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Clu1
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:00 am
#43


Pre-cu jedi and Post-cu jedi(with premium and flawless pearls+12 pt suits) are 1.5x stronger


Post-cu jedi without access to prem/flaw pearls are not.


Those are the facts, plain and simple


Having a 744 max dam saber helps.



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Robi1kenobi
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:01 am
#44

/agrees if temp is decent.

Message Edited by Robi1kenobi on 09-15-2005 09:02 AM



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DarkShadow1313
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:02 am
#45

Take the highest damage dealing profession, coupled with the highest healing powerprofession, and multiply that by 1.5 and then you'd have whata Jedi should be.


I for one am a Jedi and if we do this we will have 1000s+ NKs running around


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Giant2005
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:12 am
#46






Clu1 wrote:


Pre-cu jedi and Post-cu jedi(with premium and flawless pearls+12 pt suits) are 1.5x stronger


Post-cu jedi without access to prem/flaw pearls are not.


Those are the facts, plain and simple


Having a 744 max dam saber helps.






Not true - my TKM swords 0044 doc 4034, is more than a match for most pre-cu jedi with perfect sabres and I only say most because it has no defences against Mpowers or ranged jedi, and it isn't even a profession that is fully capable of fighting jedi, anything with AB sliced armor would do it a hell of a lot easier.


No jedi is 1.5 times stronger, or even 1 times as strong and no pearls will change that, but let us hope that the FRS will





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JeetBadwarrior
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:18 am
#47

umm. as for the flawless pearls you should read tiggs post that says they want to keep them rare ie. non farmable..so you might get extremly lucky and loot 1 or 2...but if your pinning your hopes on a obtaining those and with the tuning system the way it is...im afraid that you are putting your hopes into the wrong area...better just hope for FRS to be all end all...then again there only a few high ranking postition..per game design and with the amount of full temp jedi and the amount of new jedi rolling out of the village...i wouldnt pin my hopes on gaining one of those exclusive "club" tags...



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Pday
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:21 am
#48

ive never been hit for over 1200 by a jedi, but ive been hit repeatedly for 1500+ by swordsmen



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WookieOgre
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:23 am
#49






Clu1 wrote:


Pre-cu jedi and Post-cu jedi(with premium and flawless pearls+12 pt suits) are 1.5x stronger


Post-cu jedi without access to prem/flaw pearls are not.


Those are the facts, plain and simple


Having a 744 max dam saber helps.






Misconception. Big damage sabers can make up for lack of PvP skills if the other player is not that good at PvP or has the wrong template.


Any person whether Jedi or not with maxed out equipment will be hard to kill if they know how to PvP. Saying someone is 1.5x stronger because they have a bigger weapon doesn't mean anything, if that's the case a Swordsman with AB resist armor and then using AB on your Jedi can actually outdamage you. Just because you can do more damage than gimped post-CU sabers doesn't mean you are 1.5x as strong.


Pday
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:26 am
#50






WookieOgre wrote:






Clu1 wrote:


Pre-cu jedi and Post-cu jedi(with premium and flawless pearls+12 pt suits) are 1.5x stronger


Post-cu jedi without access to prem/flaw pearls are not.


Those are the facts, plain and simple


Having a 744 max dam saber helps.






Misconception. Big damage sabers can make up for lack of PvP skills if the other player is not that good at PvP or has the wrong template.


Any person whether Jedi or not with maxed out equipment will be hard to kill if they know how to PvP. Saying someone is 1.5x stronger because they have a bigger weapon doesn't mean anything, if that's the case a Swordsman with AB resist armor and then using AB on your Jedi can actually outdamage you. Just because you can do more damage than gimped post-CU sabers doesn't mean you are 1.5x as strong.







when you by easy to get equipment can outdamage, outheal and outtank a class thats supposed to be 1.5 something is wrong.



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antares_Kauri
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:30 am
#51



Giant2005 wrote:

No jedi is 1.5 times stronger, or even 1 times as strong and no pearls will change that




For many reasons posted by many people in this thread, that statement is a joke and not true.

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Thanos112
Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:30 am
#52

If Jedi were as powerful as they were before, it would create a massive imbalance in the game... couple that with the future FRS and the ability to become a Knight, and it would just be chaos.

With more and more people unlocking, Jedi HAVE to go through nerfs. For sake of game longevity, other classes should be more appealing than a Jedi. Unforuntaly, SOE is fighting a lost cause... because there's hundreds of people out there who would like to live out their childhood dreams of becoming a Jedi.

IMO, this is the real reason why we don't see the type of pearls that used to drop pre-cu. We can't have every Jedi running around with 700 max damage sabers.

SOE is facing a very critical time right now with this class with the impending FRS. They have many big question marks that they need to address, the two big ones being " What is the role of Jedi in the game, and how will the ability of becoming a Knight effect galaxy gameplay?"

The more people that want to eat cake, the thinner the slices have to be to be fair to everyone...



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