Jedi Archive
Thread: No, Jedi are NOT 1.5x stronger
Robi1kenobi
Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:35 am
#27
you can say why you dont like the game but not proposing anything to fix it means complaining and we all know theres too much of that especially in the jedi forum. read the gizmo post youll see theres light at the end of the tunnel If you think they removed FRS to put it back the exact same way .... not gonna happen if theres one thing devs are good at is looking at posts with over 100000 people checking it. They honestly cant check all the posts but if you post something decent and people support you ... i mean Devs aint stupid they go for what will keep the most people in game... you cant change the game based on a post with 3 replies.
furiogiunta
Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:36 am
#28
I dont even have force armor and I still get ab'd. Guess aura is breakable? lol
Wasz
Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:56 am
#29
WookieeOgre said: Yep the profession has been nerfed. I do agree there were things that bothered me Pre-CURB that did need some balance, 85% block would have been just stupid in this combat system. Negating an entire class by an innate skill, impossible to keep considering everyone and their mom has a Jedi. Maybe if only some Jedi had this ability but the entire class had it, gamebreaking to Ranged professions.That was just one example too.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe any jedi with master lightsaber had 85% block. At that time I was a ranged BH and admitedly had my frustrations with this ability. But it forced me to find bounty payout that were even numbered. That let ant BH know whether the mark they were after had MLS. Just thought I would clarify that.
As for jedi being an alpha class, no we are not. All this speculation and second guessing about what may come is pure folly and need not be discussed. SOE game developers will live or die by their skill or incompetence. The fact still remains that the player base either adapts to the game mechanics or leave the game. Also, there are other options you have with your alternate unlock. Many jedi have BH alts and in part contribute to the dilution of the jedi class. In essence, they want it both ways, and in many ways forced to create BH toons because that isthe only profession getting any decent loot.
Kal_Choedan
Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:35 am
#30
Alpha classes dont work . Jedi was a mistake by SOE that they are now stuck with. Im a pre pub 9 jedi and even I know that makeing an alpha is wrong. I have enjoyed the good and the bad and until something else comes along Ill play the toon. Star treks and long way off after all.
iijin
Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:48 am
#31
.....mediocre jedi.....like the one that gets pwned by Jango in EPII
antares_Kauri
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:00 am
#32
You cannot say in general "Jedi" are not 1.5x stronger. Some Jedi certainly are stronger than the average non-Jedi, and some defeat even the best non-Jedi at times. Some jedi definitely are, some are not. Most Jedi will ignore any evidence to the contrary no matter what. There are some Jedi templates that are 1.5x more powerful than most non-Jedi. There are non-Jedi templates that are no doubt almost or just as powerful. The Jedi you ask will always say "no", thinking of those couple of non-Jedi templates that will defeat most, but not necessarily all, Jedi templates. Many non-Jedi will say Jeid are 1.5x more powerful thinking only of those Jedi templates that are very powerful (many many Jedi have these templates).
So the real answer is that Jedi are 1.5x more powerful, "sometimes".
I'm not even sure, and neither are any of you, as to how to really quantify and measure "1.5x more powerful" anyway. What does that mean exactly? It's hard to measure but easy to fuzz to make whatever point you want, whether that is that Jedi is 1.5x more powerful, or that non-Jedi are 1.5x more powerful.
My point is that you cannot generally say "Jedi" is or is not more powerful. There are templates that will hold their own or defeat most anyone coming at them, there are other templates that are much weaker.
antares
So the real answer is that Jedi are 1.5x more powerful, "sometimes".
I'm not even sure, and neither are any of you, as to how to really quantify and measure "1.5x more powerful" anyway. What does that mean exactly? It's hard to measure but easy to fuzz to make whatever point you want, whether that is that Jedi is 1.5x more powerful, or that non-Jedi are 1.5x more powerful.
My point is that you cannot generally say "Jedi" is or is not more powerful. There are templates that will hold their own or defeat most anyone coming at them, there are other templates that are much weaker.
antares
mickolakis
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:06 am
#33
as i understood it it was completely finished templates e.g. sentinel, guardian etc that were supposed to be 1.5x stronger not regular jedi. or have i got the wrong end of the stick? 
WookieOgre
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:09 am
#34
You are not wrong, at MLS we had 85% block. My point was 9 out of 10 completed templates had it. Heck MLS was the very first thing I picked up, I was less than a 100k payout but could hand any Ranged BH their butt lol. The fact you had to go after uncompleted templates shows that we were an alpha class in that combat system....well an alpha class to ranged professions anyways lol. The removal of that along with armor and LS damage means we are just another combat class basically.
Wasz wrote:
WookieeOgre said: Yep the profession has been nerfed. I do agree there were things that bothered me Pre-CURB that did need some balance, 85% block would have been just stupid in this combat system. Negating an entire class by an innate skill, impossible to keep considering everyone and their mom has a Jedi. Maybe if only some Jedi had this ability but the entire class had it, gamebreaking to Ranged professions.That was just one example too.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe any jedi with master lightsaber had 85% block. At that time I was a ranged BH and admitedly had my frustrations with this ability. But it forced me to find bounty payout that were even numbered. That let ant BH know whether the mark they were after had MLS. Just thought I would clarify that.
bhscum
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:05 am
#35
Willvas wrote:
Robi1kenobi wrote:
cry me a river.
exactly why we are nerfed because of comments like that.. we dont back each other on stuff to improve our profession... somebody comes up with a half way decent idea... somebody likes it they bash it to all hell and dont even give good feedback or changes taht would make it better..
instead let me insult the person and flame them... i have no intelligence on the matter... is exactly what you are robi1kenobi
I agree w/ the cry me a river statement. The jedi that come here crying bout it make me sick. Learn how to adapt to your environment. If you know wat your doing a nonjedi shouldnt be able to take you. Just my 2 cents
JeetBadwarrior
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:20 am
#36
Jedi had the 99% saber block and it was proved unbalancing, Jedi used to be able to kill 8 regs at the same time it was proved unbalancing....the sooner that you get it through your skull Jedi will not be the all powerful class anymore...and there well not be a pawn joo all temp...those days are done...and there not coming back just like tkm isnt coming back at the all powerful reg proffession...so sorry you choosed the wrong time to become a jedi...
and please dont bring up the movies as a valid arguement for anything this game is so far off from any timeline or starwars movie it just makes you look stupid
oh Im going to tell you just like every pre pub jedi told me "I'm not powerful you need to learn to play your template"
ummm how do you those apples
Message Edited by JeetBadwarrior on 09-15-2005 08:24 AM
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:26 am
#38
JediMasterZero wrote:
Personally, I've had it with them and their horridly skewed views on what Jedi should be, so I've cancelled my account. Twenty-seven months and what have we to show for it? A combat system that is putrid, an "end-game" profession that's worse than starting professions, and more bugs/glitches/errors than anyone can possibly fathom. As such, I can no longer, in good conscience, continue to fund their lack of intelligence. I only hope that everyone has the epiphany that I've had, and pulls the plug on SOE's funding. Perhaps then they'll realize how completely and utterly wrong the game is and maybe....just maybe....they'll make it right. But, if I've learned anything in the 27months I've been with SWG, it's that they never learn.
Buh-Bye.... You won't be missed.
Ow, and btw, you might have dropped your jedeye skills, and try some Ranger, DE, Creature Handler, Squad leader, entertainer for once. Then you might _think_ twice on how bad jedi is borked with bugs.
And puhlease... don't come to me with "i don't knwo what i'm talking about" because I do 
Matter of fact: current CH xp is even worse then getting jedi xp.
Ryle80
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:29 am
#39
JeetBadwarrior wrote:
Jedi had the 99% saber block and it was proved unbalancing, Jedi used to be able to kill 8 regs at the same time it was proved unbalancing....the sooner that you get it through your skull Jedi will not be the all powerful class anymore...and there well not be a pawn joo all temp...those days are done...and there not coming back just like tkm isnt coming back at the all powerful reg proffession...so sorry you choosed the wrong time to become a jedi...and please dont bring up the movies as a valid arguement for anything this game is so far off from any timeline or starwars movie it just makes you look stupidoh Im going to tell you just like every pre pub jedi told me "I'm not powerful you need to learn to play your template"ummm how do you those applesMessage Edited by JeetBadwarrior on 09-15-2005 08:24 AM
8 regs huh? What master dancer/musicians?
And 99% saber block wow!
