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Thread: Cloak really being nerfed, or just an over-reaction?
cloak is getting changed, deal with it.
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Bukujohnson wrote -
In other words you have no rational arguments left.
Like I said add force speed mods to the loot tables and my master box, allow general ranged speed to work with Powers, allow my pearls to dictate my damage, speed, and SAC, remove force defense from Defender, remove Force Feedback, and Force Shield from Enhancer. After that you can take cloak completely out of Powers and I will happily drop Enhancer and pick up Defender skills.
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Quiet420 wrote -
ummm.....there is no arguement....deal with it
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LOL I took a few minutes to read through your post history, and now I get it.
A BH Troll who became a Jedi, and has serious issues with any template but your own working well.
/addignore quiet420
Buku
Naritus
I just get sick of people trying to justify nerfing other people's templates.
The only useful things in my Master Powers are Choke, and Cloak.
That's it.
I've dealt with it, and finally got it to where I can actually half way decently stand up to all the MBH/CM's and other Jedi through using cloak offensively and defensively.
And now they want to take away one of the few pleasures that Powers jedi have?
The only way I could EVER accept them doing anything to cloak, is if they finally revamp Force Weilders.
It's inexcusable that Lightsaber Throw is a better ranged attack in almost every way then Force Lightning is.
Technically speaking, Force Lightning "ought" to be the best ranged attack in the game. Yet in it's current form it's abysmal.
Roots you in place to use it because of the zip bar, has poor accuracy, a long animation which cannot be used on the run, all for a damage which isless the saber throw or rifle. (Might I add that saber throw and rifle have none of these debilitating problems.)
Then you have mind blast? Intimidation? Force KD and Force Throw? Gee lets rush to nerf the Force Weilders!
You know what this is about, it's about people getting ticked off at dabblers.
Well ya know what? If the 'rest' of powers was worth having, you might not see so many cloak dabblers.
At any rate, cloak needs to stay at 0400 Powers, and it needs to be left the heck alone. It is 'not' invisibility, it is a mind trick.
Thus being able to heal yourself is just fine as far as cannon goes.
Cloak is used to influence the minds of others so that they do not 'see' you. You don't become "invisible".
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I've been master powers for a while now, and unfortunately wish I never had put the time into getting it. It's almost useless.. Choke isn't nearly as good as a master sabers with a crappy lightsaber. The one thing that really pisses me off is that I can't do force knockdown being masters cause it makes you use the AREA knockdown.. which agros everything to me.
I'm not really complaining.. Just taking a break till they completely fix or nerf my toon.
How about another respect please!??!
Message Edited by rehatiel on 09-19-2005 06:15 AM
Quiet420 wrote:
nope, not really...it's just going to recieve a snare, and you be uncloaked if your perform certain actions.....healing, using terms, etc.
Yeah, it's just gonna be a snare, like AI. No problem. Cloak will just be useless like AI isnow with its snare.I can't see that hurting MLS/MP/4040 Healers or MP/MEnh/4040 Healers at all.
Quiet420 wrote:
Uneshoof wrote:
You can't burst run while cloaked. Alot of jedi, like me, don't have enough sp for force run.MBH can also eat parwan cake. Snaring us when cloaked is pointless because, for those of us who do need to run away,if we can't get out of the area the MBH causes our force to drop...fast. For those of us who use cloak offensively, by cloaking and staying in the area, we need to be able to channel and regen a bit because of ou massive amount force cost and crappy sabers.Let's not tooforget the need to heal so we can continue the fight. We don't have good defense and we take lots of damage fast.
Getting the picture?
Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:19 AM
Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:20 AM
you can burst run THEN cloak
if your cloaking to escape you don't need to heal to continue the fight.....but your intent isn't to leave the fight....tada...this is a fix prompted by that very "tactic"
you have just as much ability to pick up defender and not take damage as anyone else...mpowers is better against bh's than msabers, especially if you have a crappy saber.
Why should players be forced to pick defender just to survive - I find defender completely boring, which is why I went for MLS, Master Powers, Enhancer 3002 and novice healer. Yes it is a wacky template but it is fun. With 45 ranged and melee defence, cloak is essential to me for both offence and defence. It means I can dish out a lot of dmage in a short amount of time but tag me and I go down quick. As I said in my other post on this - I don't think the whole picture is being considered here - onlythe effect the dabblers have of combining this with their high defences which we lack. We need cloak as it is with some minor changes maybe - like operating switches and healing others if we have to (though force cost alone controls this TBH). We definitely need to keep self heal and channel while cloaked. No snare either - as people without fr2 or fr3 will be affected in a bad way. No defences and no movement is very bad!
Cheers,
Taborzoid2 wrote:
So let me get this straight.
You still have it in the 4th tier box?
You cloak, and Force run, burst run, and it's the same as before, with the excpetion of not being able to loot containers while cloaked?
More or less?
What if you don't have Force Run in your template? I'm a MLS/MP/Healer 4040. The healing nerf devastated my template, the cloak nerf will make it completely unviable.
This nerf promotes FOTMs. If this goes through, if you have cloak, then you must have Force Run in your Jedi temp to survive. It's just that simple. That isn't right.
It's another in a long line of Jedi nerfs since Pub 9 that help eliminate template diversity, exactly the opposite of what the devs say they want.
THe snare is the only added thing. The others just cover the abuses people have been using.
The snare forces the vision that the devs had of cloak being a first strike weapon.
Now if you can FR ot BR while concealed then you should have normal movement.
Uneshoof wrote:
I guess, it's not really what they are doing to cloak that is so bad.
What's bad, is the effect it is having on the overall template of a Master Powers Jedi.
And Master Enhancers, too. It's a really, really bad nerf for Powers & Enhancer Jedi. Most folks who say it's not bad don't have cloak in their template.
Civic wrote:
the difference between th AI snare and cloak snare is pretty simple, AI you were untouchable and could still attack a god mode ability, cloak your invisible, still abole to be hit bye area attacks, and cant hurt anyone, so do not compare a snare on cloak to AI snare.
That's right, you can't compare the two. The nerf on AI was wrong and it is bad, but at least a Master Defender can survive with Aura, Valor and his massive defense mods.
Poor Powers and Enhancer Jedi will not be able to survive with cloak now.
PalithiCitiezen wrote:
why do you complain about the snare? your skill is a tier4 skill, the devs did it do a master skill already. but with some luck the bh will lose thier terrain neogation (ranger/scout revamp) so we might be a little faster again.
Show me the dev link to this speculation? We already have the link to what they are gonna do to cloak.
Base your speculation on facts next time.
Quiet420 wrote:
Uneshoof wrote:
You can't burst run while cloaked. Alot of jedi, like me, don't have enough sp for force run.MBH can also eat parwan cake. Snaring us when cloaked is pointless because, for those of us who do need to run away,if we can't get out of the area the MBH causes our force to drop...fast. For those of us who use cloak offensively, by cloaking and staying in the area, we need to be able to channel and regen a bit because of ou massive amount force cost and crappy sabers.Let's not tooforget the need to heal so we can continue the fight. We don't have good defense and we take lots of damage fast.
Getting the picture?
Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:19 AM
Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:20 AM
you can burst run THEN cloak
if your cloaking to escape you don't need to heal to continue the fight.....but your intent isn't to leave the fight....tada...this is a fix prompted by that very "tactic"
you have just as much ability to pick up defender and not take damage as anyone else...mpowers is better against bh's than msabers, especially if you have a crappy saber.
If this cloak nerf goes through, MLS/Master Powers will definitely not be better than Master Sabers against BH anymore.
You are just wrong on this one, Quiet, sorry friend.