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Quiet420 wrote:

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Uneshoof wrote:

You can't burst run while cloaked. Alot of jedi, like me, don't have enough sp for force run.MBH can also eat parwan cake. Snaring us when cloaked is pointless because, for those of us who do need to run away,if we can't get out of the area the MBH causes our force to drop...fast. For those of us who use cloak offensively, by cloaking and staying in the area, we need to be able to channel and regen a bit because of ou massive amount force cost and crappy sabers.Let's not tooforget the need to heal so we can continue the fight. We don't have good defense and we take lots of damage fast.

Getting the picture?

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:19 AM

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:20 AM

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you can burst run THEN cloak

if your cloaking to escape you don't need to heal to continue the fight.....but your intent isn't to leave the fight....tada...this is a fix prompted by that very "tactic"

you have just as much ability to pick up defender and not take damage as anyone else...mpowers is better against bh's than msabers, especially if you have a crappy saber.

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And everyone has just as much of the ability to pick up cloak..whats your point?

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PDPoc wrote:

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Quiet420 wrote:

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Uneshoof wrote:

You can't burst run while cloaked. Alot of jedi, like me, don't have enough sp for force run.MBH can also eat parwan cake. Snaring us when cloaked is pointless because, for those of us who do need to run away,if we can't get out of the area the MBH causes our force to drop...fast. For those of us who use cloak offensively, by cloaking and staying in the area, we need to be able to channel and regen a bit because of ou massive amount force cost and crappy sabers.Let's not tooforget the need to heal so we can continue the fight. We don't have good defense and we take lots of damage fast.

Getting the picture?

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:19 AM

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:20 AM

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you can burst run THEN cloak

if your cloaking to escape you don't need to heal to continue the fight.....but your intent isn't to leave the fight....tada...this is a fix prompted by that very "tactic"

you have just as much ability to pick up defender and not take damage as anyone else...mpowers is better against bh's than msabers, especially if you have a crappy saber.

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And everyone has just as much of the ability to pick up cloak..whats your point?

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Faelazao wrote:

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PDPoc wrote:

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Quiet420 wrote:

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Uneshoof wrote:

You can't burst run while cloaked. Alot of jedi, like me, don't have enough sp for force run.MBH can also eat parwan cake. Snaring us when cloaked is pointless because, for those of us who do need to run away,if we can't get out of the area the MBH causes our force to drop...fast. For those of us who use cloak offensively, by cloaking and staying in the area, we need to be able to channel and regen a bit because of ou massive amount force cost and crappy sabers.Let's not tooforget the need to heal so we can continue the fight. We don't have good defense and we take lots of damage fast.

Getting the picture?

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:19 AM

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:20 AM

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you can burst run THEN cloak

if your cloaking to escape you don't need to heal to continue the fight.....but your intent isn't to leave the fight....tada...this is a fix prompted by that very "tactic"

you have just as much ability to pick up defender and not take damage as anyone else...mpowers is better against bh's than msabers, especially if you have a crappy saber.

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And everyone has just as much of the ability to pick up cloak..whats your point?

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I agree. What'syour point? Are you saying that everyone should now pick defender over cloak? Oh wait... that means cloak is not very viable anymore. Oh wait... isn't that what the discussion is about? Which brings me back to the question just above? What's your point? You just proved the point you were trying to discuss against. Cloak would no longer be worth it for a lot of us.

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the point is that you are using it in a mannor other than intended....if you are using it in a manor other than intended....no other factors matter....you do have options if you want defense....if being forced to only use cloak as intended makes it so it's not worth it for you...tough, live with it.

.you do have options if you want defense..
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Not unless you give up enhancer skills such as chanel and force speed. Powers uses twice the force and action that sabers do, and has much lower damage and speed. So MWielders have to forego Defender skills in order to be viable in this game.

Add force speed mods to the loot tables and my master box, allow general ranged speed to work with Powers, allow my pearls to dictate my damage, speed, and SAC, remove force defense from Defender, remove Force Feedback, and Force Shield from Enhancer. After that you can take cloak completely out of Powers and I will happily drop Enhancer and pick up Defender skills.

Stop talking about a Discipline you know so little about. It only makes you look like a Troll.



Buku
Naritus

don't need to drop enhancer....use stasis

if you don't like that....pick up defender

cloak is getting changed, deal with it....it was never intended to be an "i escape, so i can recharge, then attack again" button

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Taborzoid2 wrote:

Sorry,

I was looking through the mess of posts on this, and I couldn't find ANYWHERE it said cloak was being moved to Master?

Secondly, I don't see any real "nerf" to cloak in Helio's post, other than you can't run in and loot the Vette cloaked anymore?

Am I missing something?

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That's because there has been no post about it being moved to master. This is just something that a couple of the kids latched onto when someone mentioned that they would RATHER see it moved to master than be nerfed.

If you check the dev-tracker though you WILL see where they intend to add a snare while cloaked, and where they WILL nerf you from healing or doing anything else while cloaked.

In all honestly, if they fixed the bugs with cloak, made you untargetable, made you impervious to damage, made you not draw aggro, then I'd be all for this "nerf". But we know SOE, and we know they will not do that. They'll make it a 100% useless skill, see their subscriptions drop quite a bit and maybe THEN decide to fix some of the bugs with it... And all the while they will be killing off the game just a little bit more, not because of nerfs, but because they would never do something so logical as to fix the bugs with it before nerfing it.

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cloak is getting changed, deal with it.
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In other words you have no rational arguments left.

Like I said add force speed mods to the loot tables and my master box, allow general ranged speed to work with Powers, allow my pearls to dictate my damage, speed, and SAC, remove force defense from Defender, remove Force Feedback, and Force Shield from Enhancer. After that you can take cloak completely out of Powers and I will happily drop Enhancer and pick up Defender skills.

Buku
Naritus

Message Edited by BukuJohnson on 09-18-2005 11:08 AM

nope, not really...it's just going to recieve a snare, and you be uncloaked if your perform certain actions.....healing, using terms, etc.

But you should be able to force run (or at least burst run) when snared, to gain normal movement, right?

of course, squad leader buffs will apply too, as long as your not fighting a bh

So let me get this straight.

You still have it in the 4th tier box?

You cloak, and Force run, burst run, and it's the same as before, with the excpetion of not being able to loot containers while cloaked?

More or less?