Jedi Archive
Thread: FS Boxes = Profession Mastery, Jedi XP should NOT apply to FS boxes
I understand what ur saying in this post. Hologrinding is equivilant to FS boxes so u should be given these then ur xp points from padawan translated and added as opposed to them technically being used to fill out the 24 boxes. I seehow this would be unfair and on what ive read i agree with u.
This draws another issue to my attention, how do u gain FS xp without a saber, it was my understanding u needed one for FS xp. How do u get FS xp needed for the 24 boxes withoiut a saber??
Like I said in the other post, the xp value for the box doesnt matter, be it 10k, 200k, 5 billion ect, more,less than it costs now, doesnt matter. For examples sake lets say im back to 4002 initiate. Ok, conversion happens. Hi Ive just lost my entire tree of saber skills and mods. Hi ive just lost KD. Hi ive just lost mind blast. Ok lets see what I did gain. Oh cool jedi luck so now that thug drops 30 credits instead of 29. Super!!!! Well ok lets start getting my one hand tree back, hmm k but wait, these boxes are actually worse than before and they cost over 2 million jedi xp to gain back what I already had before the forced revamp wowowow! Not cool /cancel?
iam213374u wrote:
Masa wrote:
/sign
No true jedi can argue against this.
<--this guy can can.
You're all looking at this the wrong way, the dev's aren't trying to make us pay double to get jedi (hologrinding and using points on the pre-jedi trees), it's their way of cancelling out the first light saber tree.
Anyone who argues that point is looking to get a free 6 extra boxes and that is it.
New system you have to be 4110 initiate to switch over to padawan status, who does not have atleast that? That is 70k jedi exp, which is easily obtainable in ONE buff session.
going to 4111 requires another 50k jedi exp, but you get an 80k jedi exp box in the new system.
From there the boxes either transfer over exp to exp or you are gaining exp.
See your putting too much value on the new boxes xp values and this does not matter. Its box to box what you are losing, not to mention your are being muscled into spending 6 of your boxes for something you have already unlocked which alone settles the arguement. Even if they give us 10 million xp for free in return, hey we didnt design the boxes they did.
EoZilbriss wrote:
This should NOT happen.
If this were to happen, your "hologrinding" being counted as your FS blocks and thus giving you extra skills points, pre-publish Jedi would have a very distinct advantage over post-publish Jedi. This would create a balance fiasco, limit the Jedi/Dark Jedi Council seats to pre-publish Jedi, and therefore ruin a post-publish Jedi's aspirations.
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Moral of the Story: Suck it up. In order for a fair game to be played, one must be FAIR.
OSULugan wrote:
EoZilbriss wrote:
This should NOT happen.
If this were to happen, your "hologrinding" being counted as your FS blocks and thus giving you extra skills points, pre-publish Jedi would have a very distinct advantage over post-publish Jedi. This would create a balance fiasco, limit the Jedi/Dark Jedi Council seats to pre-publish Jedi, and therefore ruin a post-publish Jedi's aspirations.
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Moral of the Story: Suck it up. In order for a fair game to be played, one must be FAIR.
Uh, no. Sorry. You don't compete for seats on the Council until you've attained the same position that 4/4/4/4 Guardians have atm. You have no advantage/dis-advantage in this respect from having "extra skills to PvP with" for Council rank.
/sign
for real man. I think the Devs just havnt had time to adjust stuff yet, but at least now they know all our issues. I think they started testing stuff a bit too early on TC2 cause alot of ppl have never tested on TC propperly. There is alot of stuff they havnt implemented yet propperly and havnt sorted out. It will mostly be organised by live date. Dont stress too much just yet.
Buns
iam213374u wrote:
Anyone who argues that point is looking to get a free 6 extra boxes and that is it.
New system you have to be 4110 initiate to switch over to padawan status, who does not have atleast that? That is 70k jedi exp, which is easily obtainable in ONE buff session.
going to 4111 requires another 50k jedi exp, but you get an 80k jedi exp box in the new system.
From there the boxes either transfer over exp to exp or you are gaining exp.
Thunderheart has clearly stated the transfer will be BOX for BOX. It is NOT a discussion regarding XP transfer. If it was, your point would have merit and there would be much less panic or concern. There is GRAVE concern if they want to take 6 boxes we ground our bloody eyes out in this system as Jedi and stick them into the FS boxes in the transfer process.
16 JEDI boxes here need to equal 16 JEDI boxes in the new system. The FS boxes in the new system = the profession mastery we did in this system, simple as that.
I posted this in another thread but, with some editing for corrections of my own logical loopholes, I'd like to post it here as this seems a more appropriate thread for these comments:
The stance that by unlocking Jedi through professions mastered equals all of the 6 lines in FS and therefore, since that has already been accomplished by current Jedi, it should be free under the new system is certainly valid given the developer feedback to the issue so far.
We will probably have a definitive answer on whether this is intentional or a product of an unfinished conversion system but, until that point, it can be interesting to theorize as to why the FS lines take up Jedi skill points.
What if, and this is totally a what if, completing the quests for FS boxes does not award you the FS boxes but, rather, awards you FS XP that allows you to purchase FS boxes? Much in the same way that killing gnorts with a CDEF will not, in and of itself, grant you Marksman Pistol I, perhaps the FS quests only grant you the option of getting the FS box, but actually purchasing the box still requires an investment of 1 skill point.
I'm aware that the devs said you wouldn't have to change your character to get to Jedi under the new system, but perhaps the relay of the details concerning the new system were mixed up or misunderstood by the messenger as it was handed down to us. I don't know either way, but what would giving up 6 boxes under the new system seem to make more sense (not asking if you like it, 
) if the profession grind translated into the XP to be able to purchase the FS boxes, rather than translating into the FS boxes themselves?
EMC2 wrote:
Thunderheart has clearly stated the transfer will be BOX for BOX. It is NOT a discussion regarding XP transfer. If it was, your point would have merit and there would be much less panic or concern. There is GRAVE concern if they want to take 6 boxes we ground our bloody eyes out in this system as Jedi and stick them into the FS boxes in the transfer process.
16 JEDI boxes here need to equal 16 JEDI boxes in the new system. The FS boxes in the new system = the profession mastery we did in this system, simple as that.
/agree completely
Icouldn't careless aboutxp discrepancies between the old system and the new system. The issue is parity. I expect to have similar capabilties in the new system as I did in the old system, and anything less is unacceptable. The granting of mundane professions at conversion to fill out one's skill points is completely irrelevant; I or anyone else that has unlocked can grind out just about any profession in a day and a half.
The devs might well want to make the jedi grind longer and harder, but to expect existing players to pay for this retroactively is absurd. That's like buying a car and having the dealer phone up a couple of weeks later informing you the price had changed and you were expected to cough up the difference. This is one case where the devs are going to have to acknowlege that the faults in the old system were their own doing and suck it up. It's not as if six more boxes are going to significantly shorten the grind up to knight for anyone that is currently at the initiate level, but it sure would make it a lot less unpleasant. Silly me, I thought fun was the point of playing games.
i really hope this is some kind of bug or unintentional occurrance of the unfinished conversion system, and dev will correct it in live publish.
Currently what happens on TC that we have to pay for the 24 FS boxes with our hard earned Jedi xp boxes is UNACCEPTABLE. Those 24 FS boxes should be free to all exsiting jedi. The box to box conversion should start right at Padawan level in the new system.
iam213374u wrote:
Masa wrote:
/signNo true jedi can argue against this.
this guy can can.
You're all looking at this the wrong way, the dev's aren't trying to make us pay double to get jedi (hologrinding and using points on the pre-jedi trees), it's their way of cancelling out the first light saber tree.
Anyone who argues that point is looking to get a free 6 extra boxes and that is it.
New system you have to be 4110 initiate to switch over to padawan status, who does not have atleast that? That is 70k jedi exp, which is easily obtainable in ONE buff session.
going to 4111 requires another 50k jedi exp, but you get an 80k jedi exp box in the new system.
From there the boxes either transfer over exp to exp or you are gaining exp.
Padawan in the new system is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what padawan in the current system is. Just because they call you a padawan doesn't really mean much. It's apples and oranges. Even the xp requirements are higher in the new system.
I have force knockdown, run, a 4th gen lightsaber, and first level healing abilities... I won't even come close to that in the new system with this ridiculous "conversion".
That's not right or fair.