Jedi Archive

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Moge_Tira_Tru wrote:

IMAP is a TC Jedi. He reported that after his conversion selection we was then given the option to Use up his remaining skill points and place them into ANY non-jedi skill tree(s). Thus spending his full 250 skill points.

Initially I dismissed this as a bug however, IF this turned out to NOT be a bug. Does this change your mind about the conversion? I would mine.

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izzysplace wrote:
One thing to add here you do not need to keep those Base Jedi skills once you reach knight I have tested this on TC2 and surrendered those weak ass skills in favor of more Skill points and further training in force powers

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WRONG, Archives 3 CLEARLY states you will need to KEEP those 24 skill boxes of FORCE sensitivity. Its a bug on TC2 right now where your able to surrender them and use those skill points elsewhere in the jedi tree.

Also remember with the conversion system as it is right now, they also clearly state in Archives 2 that ALL Guardian 4444 will be able to login and start the KNIGHT Trials. Not surrender your FS skills then go exp some more to get your jedi all in jedi skills.

Personally the FS skills SHOULDNT count towards your box to box, or USE your skillpoints as its a quest that supposedly we have already done. As it is I think its a bug or they just havent finished making code not to have skillpoints on the FS tree's. Because seriously. Where would people that just unlocked be on this revamp? back to having to do the quest...(ie unlocked the day before patch)

I think this is a bug where they didn't mean for the FS to count in the total of your boxes, either because tehy haven't made them 0 FS yet, or not. Remember in ARchives 1 I think it was they said you woulnd't have to drop any of your normal templates to gain the FS skills(for normal players) this blows that out of the water with them all costing 1 skillpoint.

Message Edited by Sorulis on 05-30-2004 01:21 PM

well i am currently only 4133 initiate... so of course i am not clicking my heels at the prospect of only being able to get boxes in 1 discipline without totally screwing myself out of hours and hours and hours and... (you get the picture) HOURS of grinding. however... my plan is to buy all lightsaber boxes after those 6 FS lines.... hopefully i can grind out enough between now and then to be able to get 0044 saber or something after the conversion... though i highly doubt i can

now i would feel somewhat better about the situation if i was given a free ride to pickup medic, etc. to balance out my new "one-dimensional" jedi char.

BUT, the main issue is that as someone who unlocked, i should be given those FS skill boxes free of charge (at least as far as the conversion of "old box" to "new box" goes) because people WHO ARE NOT YET JEDI can purchase those skills as part of the quests.... however i think/hope this is a bug or a misunderstanding

think about a 0000 initiate, who for whatever reason just unlocked and then decided to wait for pub 9... so they go from a jedi who can wield a saber to someone who can purchase 1 line of a FS skill... and then what? it just makes no sense

the disciplines are varied enough and the force skills are diverse enough that i feel that "giving" us those 6 lines free of charge will not create an imbalance between existing jedi and the new quest'ers... since the grinding of profs and the quests are supposed to be analogous methods of "unlocking"... thusly they should have analogous REWARDS after completion (i.e. both should have 6 FS lines at that time)

i don't care if the lines cost sp's... my only issue is please do not punish someone for unlocking in the old system by making them spend current jedi skill boxes on FS skill boxes that are inherent to the new method of unlocking

the main problem is that these FS boxes cost Jedi xp... so some people feel they should count for jedi skill boxes in the conversion... but that is just not the case IMHO. those FS skills will be bought by non-jedi chars on the quest ON THEIR WAY to being a jedi... not by actual saber-wielding jedi.

so, look past the fact that these new FS skills will cost jedi xp to the quest'ers, and focus on the fact these FS skill lines are inherent to the method of unlocking so they should be granted only at the basic cost of general character skill points since current jedi are not unlock-ING.... they have already unlock-ED

now that i think about it though i really feel this is just a bug... otherwise it just makes no sense at all

Bender you have me really confused now. I was under the impression that once you make the choice of becoming a Jedi that you will have to give up all other skills, e.g. no skill points in TKA or anything other than jedi skills. So whats the point of the force sensitive skills anyhow. I thought the force sensitive skills are to enhance your regular skills as you progress along the Jedi quests. Once you have completed the Jedi quests, you will no longer be able to keep any non-Jedi skills including the FS skills I believe since these clearly enhance regular skills not Jedi skills. I'm so confused now that I'm not even sure what a Padawan is. Is a padawan only someone who has master padawan but not started the apprentice line? Statements like the following have me confused:

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Odaen wrote:

Bender you have me really confused now. I was under the impression that once you make the choice of becoming a Jedi that you will have to give up all other skills, e.g. no skill points in TKA or anything other than jedi skills. So whats the point of the force sensitive skills anyhow. I thought the force sensitive skills are to enhance your regular skills as you progress along the Jedi quests. Once you have completed the Jedi quests, you will no longer be able to keep any non-Jedi skills including the FS skills I believe since these clearly enhance regular skills not Jedi skills. I'm so confused now that I'm not even sure what a Padawan is. Is a padawan only someone who has master padawan but not started the apprentice line? Statements like the following have me confused:

2. You can choose to Proceed with Force Sensitivity progression by unlocking 24 blocks of associated Force Sensitive skills on your CURRENT character to attain Padawan via the padawan trials

from this post:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=357530&page=1

Does this mean that completing thetrials will make them master padawan. Damn I'm confused.

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You guys are missing one really important point here. If you train to apprentice (or guardian) before the revamp, the benefits greatly outweigh the downsides. Let's look at it. 3.2 million xp in the new system is equal to one full tree plus one level 1 skill in another, so 5 boxes. In the old system, however, after you get apprentice you can easily get to 4111 or higher in a day. This means a gain of 8 more boxes in the new system, or 2 full trees. Seems like a fair trade to me!

We should get those fs boxes for free. Plus there needs to be compensation for the fact that people can keep there mains skills to help them get to knight none of the current jedi have reg proff skills putting us at a major disadvantage. Hopefully everthing is bugged and not working right if not this conversion seems like total bs.

Message Edited by Gamesanator on 05-30-2004 05:33 PM

damn i created a second thread....this one is good too keep this discussion going.

No. He took the six required skill lines from the force sensitive skills, and then had enough left to buy novice lightsaber and the first box for the saber type of his choice.

"....He took the six required skill lines from the force sensitive skills..."

What are the 6 required skill lines from force sensitive skills?

Can you name a couple? I'm confused as to what you mean.