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Thread: Jedi in SWG
Eisei wrote:
I wonder how many companies want money....OH YEAH! ALL OF THEM!!! I guess I am the only one of SWG who actually knows this. Hope these people don't become businessmen
ask shadowbane that question.. they were all about money... didnt listen to peoples ideas and complaints.. no dungeons.. no content...
well down to 4 servers and died a slow death...
making money is great but still need to keep customers happy or you lose them... and since no more star wars movies arent coming out... this game will not have any major backing anymore... once the initial awe of episode 3 is over.. this game will have to rely solely on its game content and happiness of its customers...
Willvas wrote:
Eisei wrote:
I wonder how many companies want money....OH YEAH! ALL OF THEM!!! I guess I am the only one of SWG who actually knows this. Hope these people don't become businessmen
ask shadowbane that question.. they were all about money... didnt listen to peoples ideas and complaints.. no dungeons.. no content...
well down to 4 servers and died a slow death...
making money is great but still need to keep customers happy or you lose them... and since no more star wars movies arent coming out... this game will not have any major backing anymore... once the initial awe of episode 3 is over.. this game will have to rely solely on its game content and happiness of its customers...
There are still much much content that could be added from any of the star wars series, ((Unless it is too far advanced in the story to be correctly cannon)). And the SWG community has got to be the most immature, impatient set of people out of any MMORPGs because they think these types of games should be simple and perfect. Not even WOW has a perfect game and it too is filled with plenty bugs and misbalances.
Kinda hard to make such a mixed community happy when one half whines about one thing and the other half cries over the exactopposite...
Willvas wrote:
Eisei wrote:
There are still much much content that could be added from any of the star wars series, ((Unless it is too far advanced in the story to be correctly cannon)). And the SWG community has got to be the most immature, impatient set of people out of any MMORPGs because they think these types of games should be simple and perfect. Not even WOW has a perfect game and it too is filled with plenty bugs and misbalances.
Kinda hard to make such a mixed community happy when one half whines about one thing and the other half cries over the exactopposite...
umm then you havent visited many games... LOTS of complaints in many game forums.. DAOC.. SHADOWBANE UO and even in WOW... AC and AC2 had a lot as well... making a generalization like that is not very open minded....
I've played this, EQ2 and WOW and have also visited the message boards which are also flooding with info on certain bugs which come and go with every fix.
on top of that.. this game has been out for over 2 years now... with some of the same bugs... i think you can see where some of the frustration might be if you were here since day one and still see a bug i saw in day one... let me give you an example the difference though in companies...
I have been playing this game since day one and have been very patient till the end. However, unlike other people who play this game, I play to have fun and not JUST look at all the negatives surrounding it. To me this game is still very entertaining with the little bugs below an annoyance while others go without even a shrug. Its not that big a deal in my eyes
and WOW has been out only a short time... on day one star wars advertised battlefields... they were out for a short time and havent seen them active since... WOW has them now... and looks like it will be surpassing the length we had them in this game...
PvP and PvE battlefields? PvP battles are heald every day in theed and PvE battlefields could be like a DWB run or something lol. Dunno what the name of Battlefied has that you cant get anywhere else in this game. Didn't really care about them to be honest so you probably got me here /shrug
again this game has been out for over 2 years and has way too many bugs to be considered a 2 year old game...
Because the ever loving community has been asking for revamps, upgrades, and nerfs since the beginning, screaming in the devs ear. Then once they target the bugs and fixes, people complain that it is taking way to long for new content to be added to their game. Remember, you can't please all of this crazy community.
as i said prior it is easier to push out more expansions and make more money then to fix the existing ones....
The latest patches have been primarily focused on bug fixes. Riiiiiight, not fixing ANY problems. As seen from the blind. Anyways, a cast of devs can easily be split into two teams. One works on advancing for more content while the other continues with bug fixes. Its done all the time throughout many companies, don't know why it is so easily forgotten...
yeah and you are right they can add content from many stories...BUT will they? secondly this game right now like i said before as well.. had its movies to fall back on to keep the popularity of the game up... now it wont anymore... like i said.. READ... its going to have to rely solely on content and customer happiness... and right now it doesnt look good
When it comes to fast marketing, the most recent are always going to get the best sales. This is an easy side of the market to take ahold of when you have the license to a company that had just made a big marketing opportunity such as the "Final Movie" to one of the biggest series in movie history. SOE is of course going to target this type of content as the market is present rather then have a small crowd of it in times to come. Afterwards they could focus on pleasing those of variety. The original trilogy still has so much that could be added to the SWG universe and the EU can only give so much more. But its good market planning that SOE will seek. Hit the large market while its strong then stretch your views, not a hard concept to follow
Ternque01 wrote:
Everyone who thinks Jedi are fine in this timeline are just protecting their Jedi slot. I believe the essence of it truly does not extend beyond that.
Had they never put in the ability to become a Jedi in this MMO, a rage surrounding Jedi would have never existed. This rage was misperceived by the producers as genuine interest in the class then geared the game toward that direction.
If you EVER want to stir up a rage for something in a MMO, tell someone that there is a small chance that they can own a character that is 30 times more powerful than 99.999999% of the other players you are surounded by. (That is what they were a long time ago.)
THAT is the interest in the Jedi class, and it extends little beyond that as well.
Message Edited by True-Restoration on 08-30-2005 09:48 PM
True-Restoration wrote:
Ternque01 wrote:
Everyone who thinks Jedi are fine in this timeline are just protecting their Jedi slot. I believe the essence of it truly does not extend beyond that.
Had they never put in the ability to become a Jedi in this MMO, a rage surrounding Jedi would have never existed. This rage was misperceived by the producers as genuine interest in the class then geared the game toward that direction.
If you EVER want to stir up a rage for something in a MMO, tell someone that there is a small chance that they can own a character that is 30 times more powerful than 99.999999% of the other players you are surounded by. (That is what they were a long time ago.)
THAT is the interest in the Jedi class, and it extends little beyond that as well.
If you think that Jedi don't fit in the timeline, I think that there are too many wookies in the game as well, since most of them are enslaved or killed, I want them out of the game. The mere sight of them ruins my whole gaming experience because they're wookies, I want the all deleted and killed because they don't deserve to be in the game. So if you want to get rid of Jedi in the game because there are too many, you might as well agree to get rid of ALL wookies since they don't fit the timeline either.
Message Edited by True-Restoration on 08-30-2005 09:48 PM
oh boy, double trouble for me....
Ternque01 wrote:
Everyone who thinks Jedi are fine in this timeline are just protecting their Jedi slot. I believe the essence of it truly does not extend beyond that.
Had they never put in the ability to become a Jedi in this MMO, a rage surrounding Jedi would have never existed. This rage was misperceived by the producers as genuine interest in the class then geared the game toward that direction.
If you EVER want to stir up a rage for something in a MMO, tell someone that there is a small chance that they can own a character that is 30 times more powerful than 99.999999% of the other players you are surounded by. (That is what they were a long time ago.)
THAT is the interest in the Jedi class, and it extends little beyond that as well.
Message Edited by Jmasta-hibe on 08-30-2005 10:38 PM
Willvas wrote:
Ternque01 wrote:
The Jedi profession has received two full publishes
wrong ONE... and that was needed because everybody and i do mean everybody cried nerf to JEDI... saying they were too powerful... so this publish was a nerf not a actual great thing...
and will receive a second FRS system soon.
yep one that cant be exploited... and by the way... ALL exploits are fixed right away fast.. this one hasnt been fixed for a LONG TIME...
Any issue, and I mean any, resulting in discomfort to Jedi players has been addressed in record time.
wow if you actually played the profession you are totally off base on this one... we have gotten more nerfs then fixes... we HAVE NOT GOTTEN FIXES... if you actually followed our profession you would know that... in fact the only good news a jedi got was that elementals were fixed... wow but that is with all professions... there is so many broke and borked things in jedi i dont see where you are talking about? get a jedi and find out what its truly like instead of making a fishbowl statement...
The BH/Jedi system has receive a HUGE brunt of development time, specifically aimed at ensuring that Jedi never lost xp unjustfully. Mostly, the Jedi side of BH missions were addressed. Ask BH's who dealt with the login/logout exploit, Feign Death, droids NEVER working, no tracking on Kashyyyk.
ahh a bh with his own interpretation.. first off WRONG.. im both... i had a bh for a very long time even before the cu and before patch 9... there are tons of fixes for bh's for them... and there wasnt exploits on the bh side? please.. lets talk about the paralyze exploit... or the duel exploit.... and by the way there is still no tracking on kashykk.... feign death was fixed(hmm they dont fix things for bhs huh) oh and login/logout fixed... droids work now... hmmm they dont fix things for bh's? and since jedi are so geared towards all pvp for its content... well i think they do need to address issues since they have no choices if a bhs come.. regular professions have a choice.. they go to a recruiter... voila no more pvp... still things dont get fixed... heck there have been hotfixes and publishes that give small amount of fixes that are still broken...but only a true jedi who plays the profession would know that...
The list goes on and on. The old FRS system received a whole host of tweaks. Broken Jedi skills are fixed ASAP (even though you feel they are sometimes nerfed, they STILL WORK),
this is a funny statement... you dont have a clue... our top 5 issues have not changed much we are lucky to get one fix.... lol this cracks me up man how clueless you are...
and combat animations are regularly introduced.
really? we had one patch for animations... thats it... because we had none...
Talk to Commandos. One of their master-level weapons didn't even FIRE for months, haha. Moreover, the AoE damage they are supposed to deal has been bugged since the CU came out.
yeah and they took our aoe damage away...
The village.... more content than ANY non-Jedi profession has tied to itself.
thats force sensitive not jedi related... in fact i say that because once you get force sensitve does not mean you have to go jedi...
The devs take their time to work on non-Jedi issues, but get right on Jedi fixes and balances.
not right and no clue as to how the fixes are and what we get...we dont get fixes... we get nerfed on our stuff that seem to effect the normal population... in fact we got nerfed so much that we are no longer 1.5 times stronger anymore as promised...
Jedi profession bugs are quickly addressed. You might not agree, but go play a non-Jedi combat profession like ranger(have one), smuggler(have one), squad leader(have one), or commando then give me an earful
now its time for your earful.. first off i have all of those with my 5 accounts...ranger works fine with me and does the job i need... but yes still need fixes like ALL other professions... smuggler.. well they have fixed smuggler with cu.. but they still have not pushed out the one publish that was suppose to release the new smuggler content... but they already stated when they are coming out with that...squad leader(well what can you safely say about them except give some bonuses on certain things) they have been useless except group bonuses forever... the one profession that should complain is entertainers..
they are WAY USELESS... and again i dont know where you get off saying we get our bugs fixed fast and quickly addressed... lol play the profession before you judge it... you will find out fast how long we truly wait and how much stuff truly doesnt get fixed...
This new expansion, which is being stressed as including non-Jedi content, will be highly Jedi oriented. One of the main selling points is the lava crystal.
has nothing to do with jedi... this has to do with SOE keeping people around to a horrible upkept game... they would rather dish out more so called "content" then fix the broken things in game... they just want more money... this expansion is a way for them to make more money... jedi frs shouldnt have an expansion... it should just be put back in but since episode 3 its a marketing ploy to make more money...
You will have a functional FRS system soon, meanwhile smugglers still don't have ANYTHING to do.
and that is JEDI's fault? droid engineers got their own publish too i dont hear you yelling at them.. heck they had more fixes then we did....
I strongly believe that you have been slightly spoiled by your class.
spoiled huh? lol ok. i spent hours and hours of grinding.. to be complet template and that makes me spoiled? ok.... as of right now you are like a kid who cant get a toy he always wanted and now is crying about it? how is that generalization for you?
Sure, you have taken many recent nerfs, but you are still the golden child of this game, and you still ARE stronger than non-Jedi templates, regardless of your claims. Only the most skilled non-Jedi can dish out the hurt to a Jedi, while most mediocre Jedi can slaw out death to most non-Jedi.
lol well if you had half a brain you can beat a jedi too... let me give you a hint... good armor good food(booster blue too)... cm healing... and instant stims... you cant be beaten... jedi has a bad heal timer.. and we have something called the force bar that you dont have that drains fast everytime we heal and swing our saber... just an FYI for you... oh and our heals take up much more mind then a cm/doc heal...
In a sense, I believe that the GCW has been inhereted by Jedi to some extent.
Non-Jedi players don't get any of this stuff. Smugglers have been waiting for TWO YEARS to smuggle, yet you people around here act like you are being murdered waiting for your second FRS system *chuckle*
yeah you are right i was a smuggler when game first came out.. .that has been promised since day one.. still has not came out.. but i guess that was jedi's fault too it didnt come out then...
you are right its all because of jedi... our second frs is only going to be content... we have none as a jedi... there is absolutely NO content for jedi... smuggler at least got a quest in kashykk.... jedi didnt get one did they? hell even weaponsmith got a quest on kashykk...
point fingers all you want.... but when smugglers were promised to smuggle early on in SWG history... there was no jedi... so whose finger you going to point at now... point the blame in a direction you seem to fail to realize... SOE...
I thought this was interesting little list someone put together (pulled from EEMAN).
already changed
permadeath - removed at the request of jedi
skill loss - removed at the request of jedi
3deaths followed by permadeath - removed at the request of jedi
saber TEF - removed at the request of jedi
Ability to put an ADK on a lightsaber - changed at the request of jedi.. sabers never decayed and now it ADK's 5 seperate items instead of just 1.
XP loss on cloning - removed at the request of jedi
XP loss from non BH - removed at the request of jedi
Group visibility - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago
Ability to hunt jedi bounties in group - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago
Ability to not be tracked - already in place and installed on Kashyyk since ROTW expansion
Removal of jedi name from terminals - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago
Removal of actual payout amounts from terminals - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago
Group XP re-instated so jedi can go from novice to fully templated in 10 days again - changed at the request of jedi just 2 weeks ago.
Last Ditch - nerfed repeatedly at the request of jedi
Feign Death - nerfed repeatedly because of abuse by jedi
Battle Fields - removed as non-combat zones because of abuse by jedi
root attacks - nerfed at the request of jedi
this is far from the complete laundry list ... just the ones I can remember off the top of my head. There is no chance of being hunted by a jedi unless you do something UTTERLY stupid now that they removed group visibility and even then its just 1 BH comming after you. In spite of ALL of these changes, you are still whining about how hard it is when all WE want is a place where we dont even have to look at you. For well over a year MANY professions have remained broken because jedi just HAD to complain for another change. Tailor couldnt even make clothes for 3 months but all we heard about is how you cant get good crystals and how being hunted sucks despite the fact that even hunted people were mastering in 15 days.
Although I see both sides of this argument, I have to admit, the whole "Jedi thing" has certainly taken it's toll on the game overall.
People may argue that, but looking back, it's really hard to refute it.
Ternque01 wrote:
all of the content of this game is Jedi or Jedi-related
Are you on drugs?
delanstarrunner wrote:
I'm soo tired of people blaming the Jedi profession for any/all ills this game. If it weren't for Jedi, the game would not be here. Plain and simple.
delanstarrunner wrote:
I'm soo tired of people blaming the Jedi profession for any/all ills this game. If it weren't for Jedi, the game would not be here. Plain and simple.
Praastep wrote:
already changed permadeath - removed at the request of jedi skill loss - removed at the request of jedi 3deaths followed by permadeath - removed at the request of jedi saber TEF - removed at the request of jedi Ability to put an ADK on a lightsaber - changed at the request of jedi.. sabers never decayed and now it ADK's 5 seperate items instead of just 1. XP loss on cloning - removed at the request of jedi XP loss from non BH - removed at the request of jedi Group visibility - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago Ability to hunt jedi bounties in group - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago Ability to not be tracked - already in place and installed on Kashyyk since ROTW expansion Removal of jedi name from terminals - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago Removal of actual payout amounts from terminals - removed at the request of jedi just 2 publishes ago Group XP re-instated so jedi can go from novice to fully templated in 10 days again - changed at the request of jedi just 2 weeks ago. Last Ditch - nerfed repeatedly at the request of jedi Feign Death - nerfed repeatedly because of abuse by jedi Battle Fields - removed as non-combat zones because of abuse by jedi root attacks - nerfed at the request of jedi this is far from the complete laundry list ... just the ones I can remember off the top of my head. There is no chance of being hunted by a jedi unless you do something UTTERLY stupid now that they removed group visibility and even then its just 1 BH comming after you. In spite of ALL of these changes, you are still whining about how hard it is when all WE want is a place where we dont even have to look at you. For well over a year MANY professions have remained broken because jedi just HAD to complain for another change. Tailor couldnt even make clothes for 3 months but all we heard about is how you cant get good crystals and how being hunted sucks despite the fact that even hunted people were mastering in 15 days.
Although I see both sides of this argument, I have to admit, the whole "Jedi thing" has certainly taken it's toll on the game overall.
People may argue that, but looking back, it's really hard to refute it.
Or you could make a better list of changes asked for by the GCW and BH forums. It's not just Jedi, andI don't mean those that pay for this game to run, it is the nerf-calls from others that continually change the game. Jedi should be stronger, plain and simple.
Enough whining, I think jedi should not be able to hold credits, they should be able to get by with out paying 5hit-e!! But, I doubt I'd see any non-Jedi agree with that continuity. preserve the time-line, there shouldn'r be this many Jedi, I'm tired of PvP-ing and getting smacked by a Jedi. Stooooooooooooopid 5hit-e!
They want continuity and balance. They want vulnerability and credit sinks. They want every profession to simply meld into one. Pick a profession, strive for it, and reap the benefits/drawbacks. Never heard people whine till they introduced jedi . . . read the forums more, or go back to the beginnning.
I'm soo tired of people blaming the Jedi profession for any/all ills this game. If it weren't for Jedi, the game would not be here. Plain and simple.