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Thread: So I dueled a Master Defender last night...
MsNiL wrote:TKM is broken. Try against a Swordman/Pikeman/4000 Doctor instead.
Pikeman is another story, or even a bounty hunter with pistoleer and CM 4000, intimidate shot noticably reduces damage of even a decent lightsaber, oddly I was still able to defeat one and she was so mad she brought back another Jedi to gank me with when I was overt about two months ago.
mauvros wrote:
Fugitron wrote:
Like I said, against an experienced PvPer Mdef the odds of hm actually needing to AI is slim to none. Typically if they have to AI the fight is already over.
mauvros wrote:
This is true and im sure there are good and bad M Defender PVPers. I guess ive fought all the bad ones.
I beat them down pretty fast so either they AI or they die....
You can have all the experience you want. If you cant handle my DPS your gonna AI or die.
Granted my DPS is pretty high, maybe against someone with a not so powerful saber you may be right.
A Master Defender lacks one of 2 things...
DPS or healing.
At least with the cookie cutter templates.
DPS due to not having force speed 2.
Healing due to having force speed 2 but lacking in the healing branch.
PVE Master Defender owns. PVP 1 on 1 not so much.
Please tell me you are on radiant
CIRY Master Defender templates is easy to beat.
Aside from the great damage they can withstand they cant dish it out as much as a MLS with Force Speed 2.
Avoid Incap can be very annoying and throw you off your game if you dont know what do do.
Beat the target down until he AI's
Stop attacking, concentrate only on heals.
Attack as needed to keep the targets health as close to zero as possible
Hover mouse over AI icon and watch the timer.
When the counter reaches 10 start counting it down in your head and move the mouse to an attack special
When you reach 2 in your head start beating on the target
This should take out the target before another AI is applied.
If the target is able to reapply before you kill them start it all over again. It may take 2 or 3 tries but you will get it in.
mauvros wrote:
Master Defender templates is easy to beat.
Aside from the great damage they can withstand they cant dish it out as much as a MLS with Force Speed 2.
Avoid Incap can be very annoying and throw you off your game if you dont know what do do.
Beat the target down until he AI's
Stop attacking, concentrate only on heals.
Attack as needed to keep the targets health as close to zero as possible
Hover mouse over AI icon and watch the timer.
When the counter reaches 10 start counting it down in your head and move the mouse to an attack special
When you reach 2 in your head start beating on the target
This should take out the target before another AI is applied.
If the target is able to reapply before you kill them start it all over again. It may take 2 or 3 tries but you will get it in.
chewboywa wrote:
RyFord wrote:
..on my Rifleman/Doctor. Toe to Toe he stood no chance. Then I left the duel and tanked 2 Jedi. Their DPS sabers were 349 and 409 respectively.
Then I dueled a Master Swordsman/Doctor on my Master Powers/3202Enhancer and won.
My saber is 560-660 and is post-CU. I also have 0044Sabers with non Armorbreak.
Could it be that people are just not good fighters? There's no way I should have won both.
There was a Swordsman TKM doctor dueling people in Mining outpost about a month ago and several Jedi were not able to defeat him but I was the only one that was able to and I had 0044 LS and master force wielder along with 3402 enhancer. Similar situation as your's but my lightsaber is well over 730 max damage.
Ok, guys, you are not providing the necessary information and context. BTW, if your saber is well over 730, is that like 799? or 1250?...what is well over mean? 731? If so, your trying to tell us you don't actually know? This is the kind a BS that shows how full of crap some people are in there effort to sound uber and yap their jaws.
Simple: Jedi with 300-400 dps sabers suck, it's not their skill that is the main problem. You aren't as good as you like to think, trust me.
Simple: Choke cuts through elites like butter...your not any better then them, you havean "i win button" over elites../clap?
Pwnd, now go cry to mommy
Sounds like a guy...
chewboywa wrote:
Pikeman is another story, or even a bounty hunter with pistoleer and CM 4000, intimidate shot noticably reduces damage of even a decent lightsaber, oddly I was still able to defeat one and she was so mad she brought back another Jedi to gank me with when I was overt about two months ago.
Ciry wrote:
mauvros wrote:
Fugitron wrote:
Like I said, against an experienced PvPer Mdef the odds of hm actually needing to AI is slim to none. Typically if they have to AI the fight is already over.
mauvros wrote:
This is true and im sure there are good and bad M Defender PVPers. I guess ive fought all the bad ones.I beat them down pretty fast so either they AI or they die....
You can have all the experience you want. If you cant handle my DPS your gonna AI or die.
Granted my DPS is pretty high, maybe against someone with a not so powerful saber you may be right.
A Master Defender lacks one of 2 things...
DPS or healing.
At least with the cookie cutter templates.
DPS due to not having force speed 2.
Healing due to having force speed 2 but lacking in the healing branch.
PVE Master Defender owns. PVP 1 on 1 not so much.
Please tell me you are on radiant
Nope sorry, Im on Corbantis. Im also a Jedi.
To the other poster your +25 1h Speed tape really isnt helping much on the cooldown timers. Speed 2 is much better than +25 1h speed tapes at the moment due to speed bug.
What im refering to here people is Jedi 1 vs 1. I beat evey Master Defender 1 on 1.
As a Melee Jedi I have more trouble with a Master Powers/ MLS template than I do with Master Defender / MLS
mero909 wrote:
I'm a Master Powers / Master Defender and I RARELY lose against non-Jedi, but am a constant corpse against other Jedi. haha! Rifleman / Doctor is such a good template. I almost wanna say that it's better than having Combat Medic.
If the jedi they are fighting don't have force run or even burst run foods then you're right, it can be more devastating
to us than even an MCM. However, the MBH/MCM combo still seems to be the most effective against jedi in general.
who are skilled in PvP, with @ least defender 0/0/4/0 and/or some enhancer (so yeah, that's basicly all jedi
Hopefulythe upcoming changes mentioned by Tiggs will make non master power's jedi more capable Vs non-jedi and those of
us with MP more competent Vs other jedi...I can dream can't I...?
Rev
RyFord wrote:
..on my Rifleman/Doctor. Toe to Toe he stood no chance. Then I left the duel and tanked 2 Jedi. Their DPS sabers were 349 and 409 respectively.
Then I dueled a Master Swordsman/Doctor on my Master Powers/3202Enhancer and won.
My saber is 560-660 and is post-CU. I also have 0044Sabers with non Armorbreak.
Could it be that people are just not good fighters? There's no way I should have won both.
mauvros wrote:
Fugitron wrote:
Like I said, against an experienced PvPer Mdef the odds of hm actually needing to AI is slim to none. Typically if they have to AI the fight is already over.
mauvros wrote:
This is true and im sure there are good and bad M Defender PVPers. I guess ive fought all the bad ones.
I beat them down pretty fast so either they AI or they die....
You can have all the experience you want. If you cant handle my DPS your gonna AI or die.
Granted my DPS is pretty high, maybe against someone with a not so powerful saber you may be right.
A Master Defender lacks one of 2 things...
DPS or healing.
At least with the cookie cutter templates.
DPS due to not having force speed 2.
Healing due to having force speed 2 but lacking in the healing branch.
PVE Master Defender owns. PVP 1 on 1 not so much.
why not get mdef ls 0404 enhancher 3002 and healer 4004 then u have booth FS2 and good healing
mauvros wrote:
Ciry wrote:
mauvros wrote:
Fugitron wrote:
Like I said, against an experienced PvPer Mdef the odds of hm actually needing to AI is slim to none. Typically if they have to AI the fight is already over.
mauvros wrote:
This is true and im sure there are good and bad M Defender PVPers. I guess ive fought all the bad ones.
I beat them down pretty fast so either they AI or they die....
You can have all the experience you want. If you cant handle my DPS your gonna AI or die.
Granted my DPS is pretty high, maybe against someone with a not so powerful saber you may be right.
A Master Defender lacks one of 2 things...
DPS or healing.
At least with the cookie cutter templates.
DPS due to not having force speed 2.
Healing due to having force speed 2 but lacking in the healing branch.
PVE Master Defender owns. PVP 1 on 1 not so much.
Please tell me you are on radiant
Nope sorry, Im on Corbantis. Im also a Jedi.
To the other poster your +25 1h Speed tape really isnt helping much on the cooldown timers. Speed 2 is much better than +25 1h speed tapes at the moment due to speed bug.
What im refering to here people is Jedi 1 vs 1. I beat evey Master Defender 1 on 1.
As a Melee Jedi I have more trouble with a Master Powers/ MLS template than I do with Master Defender / MLS