Jedi Archive
Thread: 1.5x Stronger? yes? no?
Now there have been claims of "You have Saber Block" well guess what at MLS/MDef/xxx2 Enhancer / 3xxx healer that saber block sucks. You get a BH/MCM with a scatter maxed on dmg it is still a 10 minute fight but due to your mind just getting screwed you will lose.
I am a post CU jedi and I was lucky because I have all preCU crystals and pearls so I have a decent saber but I also have a guildy that is a preCU jedi with roughly the same pearls and a preCU saber and the same temp as me and he gets killed by BH/MCM due to the lack of mind. Force is not that big of a problem for either of us but the mind is what kills us.
Now onto the melee profs like MS/Mdoc those guys will mess you up but we dont have to worry about them except in PVP battles so those IMO dont come into play on this 1.5x stronger. The ones that we have to always be on the look out for are BH and as of right now their FOTM is kicking our @$$.
Oh and before anyone says "well you just have to learn your template" I might not know my template as good as I should but I do PVP a lot and I am learning but the fact still remains that a preCU jedi that has the exact same temp that knows his temp is getting killed by the same type of BHs that I am and lasting just as long as I am so that tells me that I know my template decent.
ArkonPhoenix wrote:
The only reason why we are not 1.5x stronger is our low damage output. Although, I would have to say our deffenses are 1.5x stronger. But since our damage output is so low, we die when our force runs out or get bored of duling for an hour.
Our defense is 1.5X stronger if a non-Jedi picks a damage or crowdcontrol template.
Jedi templates can be match almost 100% with non-Jedi, only thing that really made the difference was Cloak (now it's getting nerfed) and Block (worthless against any melee). We are a normal profession, why can't everyone see it. break down the skills one at a time and ask yourself, can a non-Jedi do this. The answer is yes and surprising a lot of times the answer is they can even do it better.
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ok now give us another nice nerf
WookieOgre wrote:
Sorry Jedi are not 1.5X powerful.
We were unique with Cloak, that is now being flushed.
This is where we are at currently:
Non-Jedi can have better defenses than Jedi
Non-Jedi can have near the same damage output as a high damage saber (case in point, 645-1325 is my rifle)
Non-Jedi have better healing than Jedi
Non-Jedi have the exact same crowcontrol abilities
So of the 4 major areas, non-Jedi are equal in two areas and are better in the other two. It's funny listening to people saying Jedi is 1.5X powerful because they beat up people all the time. Lets see, maybe that has to do with your better at PvP with your template than the noob you just killed? I agree, a lot of Jedi are good at PvP, when you actually examine the skills that you can get as a Jedi to the skills you can get as a non-Jedi, how exactly are we more powerful. Everyone says, well Master Defender with Healer is 1.5X powerful.....what 1.5X more powerful until you fight a melee template with Doc? I mean they can wear AB sliced armor then heal better than us. I forgot where our AB resist armor is, oh yeah forgot we don't have any.
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This post makes absolute sense, and gives hope for the future when you think about it. I have been guilty of falling into the "I completed my temp, and should be a Knight by now, so I MUST be as powerful as a Knight!" mentality.
Ozzyi wrote:
1.5 times stronger. No, don't forget we are Paddy's IN TRAINING. Just because your a full temp Jedi doesn't mean your the BMOC or BWOC.
All full temp Jedi are PADDY's. Paddy's are not that strong and shouldn't be considered that way. Other elite professions should out DMG us, it would be sick if they didn't. Remember, your Paddy Jedi is still in training.
If Paddy's were 1.5 times stronger than any other professionwhat would a KNIGHT be than a GUARDIAN then MASTER. Paddy's arelike any other professionand will continue beingthat wayuntil a new FRS is implimented. That is were the balance will take place. And then we will get our 1.5
Fudge1988 wrote:
Jedi are 1.5x stronger than anyother prof if......that prof isnt wearking Armor Break sliced armor. Since a jedi almost has to toally rely on armor break if they actully plan on killing the target, reducting the effectivness down to 25% and they putting them up against possible SM debuffs or CM or doc heals in pretty intense.
I would like to AB slicing not be removed by any means but possiably lowered down to 50% thust BALANCING that aspect of the game since balanced would be considered 50 chance to live or die.
Now the reason AB slice is the i win armor is that fact that the jedi cant do enough dmg to beat down the healing abilities of ruby bleil/stims and the doc or cm buffs that are equal strength with attachments and much greater with the right stuff.
send a bh after me with a max dmg gun great foods and a great knowlege of the game with out AB armor and he dies....send me a nub with AB armor and the other same stuff and a limited knowledge of the game and he wins....simply b/c he can run down my force.
TY some replies would be nice to discuss what other people might think or how they beat these types of people..and plz dont say i dont have a prb with this b/c my 700-800 max dmg saber, plz give a diffrent more reasonable response TY
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actually, yeah even with the best capped out battle armor, with AB slice, and thyroid rupture on, a jedi with a good saber can still pwn the BH if they know what there doing im talking 600+ dps on the saber
Neuk wrote:
Fudge1988 wrote:
Jedi are 1.5x stronger than anyother prof if......that prof isnt wearking Armor Break sliced armor. Since a jedi almost has to toally rely on armor break if they actully plan on killing the target, reducting the effectivness down to 25% and they putting them up against possible SM debuffs or CM or doc heals in pretty intense.
I would like to AB slicing not be removed by any means but possiably lowered down to 50% thust BALANCING that aspect of the game since balanced would be considered 50 chance to live or die.
Now the reason AB slice is the i win armor is that fact that the jedi cant do enough dmg to beat down the healing abilities of ruby bleil/stims and the doc or cm buffs that are equal strength with attachments and much greater with the right stuff.
send a bh after me with a max dmg gun great foods and a great knowlege of the game with out AB armor and he dies....send me a nub with AB armor and the other same stuff and a limited knowledge of the game and he wins....simply b/c he can run down my force.
TY some replies would be nice to discuss what other people might think or how they beat these types of people..and plz dont say i dont have a prb with this b/c my 700-800 max dmg saber, plz give a diffrent more reasonable response TY
actually, yeah even with the best capped out battle armor, with AB slice, and thyroid rupture on, a jedi with a good saber can still pwn the BH if they know what there doing im talking 600+ dps on the saber
Your comment might be more believable if the meat of your argument wasn't wrong. FYI, DPS means nothing. I don't have the time to write why your wrong, so I'll just give you a diagram on what is important for a weapon:
Damage > AC > Speed
DPS = worthless number
Just do some research in the WS forum or go ask the Pistoleer Correspondent. He is actually one of the most knowledgeable I've seen since SonG.
Once people sucessfully got their own lightsabers nerfed (as they picked that before voting on fixing the pearldrops) they will see the truth about such statements.
Neuk wrote:
actually, yeah even with the best capped out battle armor, with AB slice, and thyroid rupture on, a jedi with a good saber can still pwn the BH if they know what there doing im talking 600+ dps on the saber
Dlek_Krego wrote:
This post makes absolute sense, and gives hope for the future when you think about it. I have been guilty of falling into the "I completed my temp, and should be a Knight by now, so I MUST be as powerful as a Knight!" mentality.
Ozzyi wrote:
1.5 times stronger. No, don't forget we are Paddy's IN TRAINING. Just because your a full temp Jedi doesn't mean your the BMOC or BWOC.
All full temp Jedi are PADDY's. Paddy's are not that strong and shouldn't be considered that way. Other elite professions should out DMG us, it would be sick if they didn't. Remember, your Paddy Jedi is still in training.
If Paddy's were 1.5 times stronger than any other professionwhat would a KNIGHT be than a GUARDIAN then MASTER. Paddy's arelike any other professionand will continue beingthat wayuntil a new FRS is implimented. That is were the balance will take place. And then we will get our 1.5
i would like however to be atleast 1 : 1 vs teh best combo template in the game with the best equipment
MsNiL wrote:
Jedi was designed to defeat eachother in a pre-cu force-ranking system.
There are no design behind how they are now. They are not x*.* vs anything becouse there's no design. We are not balanced for the new rules.
^ this I believe more than anything. Idevs have posted that Jedi was a mess at the start of the CURB and they really didn't have time to give us any attention. Reading some of their comments closely lead me to believe they were going to revamp the profession although they never flat out said that was the goal.
Obviously with all that is going on this year, I doubt Jedi will see any fixes or revamp until next year.