Jedi Archive
Thread: 1.5x Stronger? yes? no?
WookieOgre wrote:
Pday wrote:
m.def/m.ls/3-0-0-0 heal/0-0-0-2 enhance is 1.5 stronger than a bh with only cm heals rather than full m.cm dots.
You need to look beyond BH templates. Melee IMO are the biggest underrated threat Jedi face. They have equal defenses + Armor Break + sliceable armor (for AB resists) + Doc Heals. It wouldn't be so bad if we had armor break resists somewhere in Jedi but we don't.
i think they need to revamp jedi altogher.
I used to think it was just crappy sabers that kept Jedi from being 1.5 times stronger...but in the last week I have seen most of the full temp Jedi I know fall to 1 kind of BH. These are full temp Jedi that pvp on a regular basis (some better than others). These are Jedi that have decent to good sabers (600-700 max dam)
The BH that came for them had armor break sliced armor and were the standard CM/BH combo. These Full temp PvP experianced Jedi (I consider them Jedi that know their temps) fell with ease to this new breed of BH. It was not a matter of pvp ability or saber damage....these Jedi had no chance against the new AB armor slice with the CM debuffs.
any other BH temp , these jedi would have slaughtered the bh.
I would consider Jedi equal to or less than the new temp and armor combo. This is something I have also asked many bh friends...they all reply that Jedi are way to easy to kill now. They say that they rarely lose to a full temp jedi now....
***Just wanted to add that the fight were won by eating away the mind. all the full temp jedi lost when their mind was gone, it was not a matter of force in most of the fights.
Message Edited by PhatDhad on 09-22-2005 09:02 AM
Zarqon wrote:
Both normal professions and jedi is too divided to say "jedi is x times as strong as normal profession"
But, generally, if you take a LS jedi with a good pre-cu saber than yes, he's definately 1.5x as strong.
The dps of a saber is much better in PvP than a normal weapon due to the narrow damage range. It cuts through defenses.
As for healing, if you really work at it, normal professions can get a higher heal per second than jedi, however this often comes at a greater mindcost. In addition jedi can use there heals while KD which is a definate advantage.
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The average full temp jedi is probably a bit stronger than the average full temp BH, BUT there is NFW that a jedi with the best available weapon/tapes that can be created today is even AS STRONG as a BH/medic/combat combowith AB sliced8100energy resist armor/tapes up the ying-yang/ and weapons with dps well over 900. N F W, sorry
it is a joke if you think so, I make the weapons I know, 900dps is easy to come by now with mods, without tapes. I slice the armor so i know 80% is gone right of the bat and 3 out 4 times your armorbreak won't hit so your saber it 1/5 as effective as it should be. Yeah a master Def can hold up for a long time but without a good saber, which is impossible to get atm, you will not get past ADK'd 75% 8100 energy resist.
Not only that you can still be hunted by more than one BH at a time . Happened twice this week in my guild. So HTF is that "balanced"? Nice word, the devs are hypocrites.
GO ahead and nerf cloak, the FOTM will move to FR and you will have sparkly trails everywhere, what's the point? Why don't they just make jedi perma vis and let everyone gank them? Thats the ways its headed. This is becoming a MAD magazine version of Star Wars, not the Star Wars I know.
Zarqon wrote:
well, a pure breakdown of skills doesn't necessarily give an accurate picture because a jedi generally have MORE skills than a normal profession.
What melee profession can get a root? and a ranged KD?
What good does a root or ranged kd do to a melee opponent? You gonna kite a Msword/doc/pike temp after they intimidate/warcry you with their 75% ab sliced armor using saber throw? lol
No normal profession can get force run, cloak (snared or not) and AI.
Parwan >= FR2, Cloak = Worthless for fighting, AI = Worthless for pvp (except mass battles and even thats debateable with a couple drainers around)
you point to the fact that rifles/ranged weaponscan get a very high dps, sure, but that is without taking into account saber block...
What does saber block do against a melee opponents? hrm? nothing.
Now I know that some combinations of normal professions can be very effective sure, but in general when It feels like only jedi can get enough skills to compensate for weaknesses. Like getting ranged KS as melee, or running very fast as ranged.
and as for trying to debate that we have better damage, How's your saber compare to this power hammer:
630-1176 Damage,Base attack speed 2.8 (easily speed capped if you know what you're doing)
MOST post-cu jedi come nowhere near that whatsoever, in fact its MIN damage is 5 points higher than my saber's MAX damage, come on seriously, and I dont see saber block helping a DAMN bit when that thing comes at you with improved critical hit + docbuffs (btw dont tell me jedi can GET buffs as well, its not in our template to do so, so that's bringing in outside support classes into the picture and throws off the whole 1.5x equasion)
Fudge1988 wrote:
Jedi are 1.5x stronger than anyother prof if......that prof isnt wearking Armor Break sliced armor. Since a jedi almost has to toally rely on armor break if they actully plan on killing the target, reducting the effectivness down to 25% and they putting them up against possible SM debuffs or CM or doc heals in pretty intense.
I would like to AB slicing not be removed by any means but possiably lowered down to 50% thust BALANCING that aspect of the game since balanced would be considered 50 chance to live or die.
Now the reason AB slice is the i win armor is that fact that the jedi cant do enough dmg to beat down the healing abilities of ruby bleil/stims and the doc or cm buffs that are equal strength with attachments and much greater with the right stuff.
send a bh after me with a max dmg gun great foods and a great knowlege of the game with out AB armor and he dies....send me a nub with AB armor and the other same stuff and a limited knowledge of the game and he wins....simply b/c he can run down my force.
TY some replies would be nice to discuss what other people might think or how they beat these types of people..and plz dont say i dont have a prb with this b/c my 700-800 max dmg saber, plz give a diffrent more reasonable response TY
FTW
Zarqon wrote:
well, a pure breakdown of skills doesn't necessarily give an accurate picture because a jedi generally have MORE skills than a normal profession.
What melee profession can get a root? and a ranged KD?
First off, How does rooting a Melee player benefit a Melee player?
Ranged K/D, again, how does this benefit a Melee player fighting a Melee player?
No normal profession can get force run, cloak (snared or not) and AI.
No you can get FR by eatting food, Cloak will be in Ranger now, and AI......are you seriously suggesting there is a valid use for this skill. PvP = worthless, anyone with half a brain can counter it in PvP and in PvE why wouldn't you just be a Ranged player with root and some CM.....solo everything.
you point to the fact that rifles/ranged weaponscan get a very high dps, sure, but that is without taking into account saber block...
Yep, because we all know saber block works on melee weapons
Now I know that some combinations of normal professions can be very effective sure, but in general when It feels like only jedi can get enough skills to compensate for weaknesses. Like getting ranged KS as melee, or running very fast as ranged.
You're wrong as I've explained in my previous posts. Block, having the possiblity of Ranged k/d with a ranged root does not out weigh the negatives I've listed. It certainly doesn't mean squat when fighting another melee player.
