Jedi Archive
Thread: Cloak Nerf, and a plea to the community....:(
By the way, the problem with exploiters is that SOE needs almost 2 months to repair BUGs (an exploid is a bug or lack of testing that five you an advange). Repair the cloack and go on. But repair it for both sides. No /follow command, no area attacks, no droid stuff etc... It looks like if a BH can't catch a jedi its because the game works wrong. And if a bh finds you,and you win its cause you are ubber, and if you have an abiliti to run away its cause you are a coward...
I havent seen energy ultra prepared armors nerfed, nor super weapons. I have seen avoid incap twice, the pearls stuff (i dont care personally but my ls friend are bored of 350dps ls), and linghning, and now cloack. Not to mention that healers can't rezz, i powers is the only ranged prof who needs to be rooted to fire (32m away, by the way)...
Yes, yes, jedi crying... ...but to be master cryier i needs 10M exp and every post only give me 10 exp. (i use inspiration and i get 11!!) With master i've the abilitie to create swamps of 100m radius, its a cool way to aviod bh...
(p.d.: soe has anuonced that swamp creation will be nerfed to 16m radius, cause i used it in bh hunting not in normal playing.)
Mythrindir wrote:
Sorry for my biased BH point of view but cloak was meant to be used for recon and stealth, not as an "I may not win but im sure as hell not losing" button
TheMonkeyDude wrote:
Mythrindir wrote:
Sorry for my biased BH point of view but cloak was meant to be used for recon and stealth, not as an "I may not win but im sure as hell not losing" button
and cm's weren't mean to be able to shrug off mls dmg by out healing it for hours, where's that nerf?
What was the cloak nerf?
I have to agree there
KyiasLightsun wrote:
nerf to cloak is a balance issue....
seeing a cloaker run in, deal dmg, and then FR2 or FR3 out and cloak away is not all that balanced....
no escape tool should mean 100% success everytime you want to use it...I have cloak with FR1 and I only die when I want to help my group in a fight and worth dying for....
This change will be a good thing, whether people can see past their own 2 feet is another story.
I'm a MLS/MP/4040 Healer. I don't have Force Run. How is this a good thing for me?
Bovafett wrote:
Mythrindir wrote:
Sorry for my biased BH point of view but cloak was meant to be used for recon and stealth, not as an "I may not win but im sure as hell not losing" button
Honestly that doesn't bother me. I've had that happen to me plenty. The problem I have with it, is when you try to play the game in places like the DWB, and you have a cloaked jedi bringing agro to you, for no reason but just trying to be nasty. THAT isn't fun, and that, I think, is the primary reason behind it.
So you think it's right to nerf the 99% of other Jedi, like me, who don't abuse cloak to stop the 1% that do?
That's what has been wrong with this game since Day 1. And that's what's ruined the promise of SWG.
Now all we need is for the CM's to be addressed. Their healing mixed with their speed debuffs is way out of balance compared to our healing and our speed buffs.
Kev0r wrote:
The only reason that it's being nerfed is because of all the jerks who turned exploiting the weak points in the cloak system into an entire new way of gaming.
I'm an MDEF, but I hated seeing mini gangs of jedi taking down turrets under the old AI system. I'd watch as they ran up to the turret, spammed a load of hits, then ran back to their buddies....who would feed them some force and off they'd go again. I hate having the snare on AI, especially when it stacks into a root. But it's only that way thanks to the abusers, the same with these cloak changes.
Having cloak as an "I will never die" button is far worse than the future of cloak as it will be...
Cloak isnot a "I will never die" button to an MLS/MP/4040 Healer like me. But this cloak nerf means that I do have an "I will always die" template.
That's what you really want, isn't it?
this is no longer a game, its a chat room with something else to do while u chat
nerf
Nikolai_Xavierov wrote:
StarDryfter wrote:
I am not Powers. Never was, probably never will be.
I am a long time Defender and love my role as tank.
The Cloak nerf is a travesty. And I remember seeing a few people who are upset with the cloak nerf who applauded the AI nerf. I repeat, THE C♦LOAK NERF IS indeed a TRAVESTY.
That being said. If it comes to pass as most of us are reading it to come.....Is this enough to finally make each of us Jedi understand WE ARE A GROUP. We are NOT Defenders, Powers, MLS, Enhancers, Healers. WE ARE JEDI.
It is going to be completely appropriate for us to fight for our skills to be fixed/enhanced/not nerfed and so forth.....But we need to learn that divided we will ALL lose. The more we all yell for nerfing our fellow Jedi, the more the "others" win in their calls for our nerfs.
I am sure there will be BH's trolling our board. I am sure they will have something to say. I am sure it will be a differing opinion to mine, or ours. But that is ok.
We know the facts of what the promise of Jedi was supposed to be. We understand completely how tremedously SOE had fubared their promises to alot of classes, and we are one of those.
Together we HAVE to understand the first person who is Jedi, who yells NERF, is not a Jedi in the least. And as such, should not be fought or encouraged with the attention they get.
Lets focus on getting our proefession, JEDI, the best it can be.
I know....a pipedream.....But, I felt the need to voice my opinion when I counted 3 people in particular who screamed their support for the nerf of AI, and now are yelling about their nerf.....and they are RIGHT this time....stop the damn nerfs SOE...
Rayn
You're not Jedi, you dont know the first thing about being Jedi. You are Whining Wizards with glowing Lightwangs. That's all you are and all you'll ever be. Jedi will never be able to be re-tooled to be brought in line with how a Jedi should be in STAR WARS, it will always have to be tailored to be 'balanced' combatively for pvp effectiveness, because of the mentality of majority of playes who play Jedi: Whining kids.
The nerfs will continue endlessly, stop going up in arms every time they occur. It's the fault of the majority of Jedi players who will take any tool and find the most creative / original way to abuse it to the best of their ability. This causes nerfs of abilities that may have had other good utility purposes.
It's called stupid-proofing software, and for a game like this stupid proofing = nerfing. Unfortunately there are a lot more stupid Jedi than responsible ones, so expect many of your useful abilities to get nerfed if they provide any sort of angle for abuse.
The logical conclusion of what you say leads to a game in which every player has exactly the same skill set.
Otherwise, someone might be better than someone else and they'd have to be nerfed.
Love ya' Barb, but on this one, I strongly disagree.
Barb-Wire wrote:
StarDryfter wrote:
I am not Powers. Never was, probably never will be.
I am a long time Defender and love my role as tank.
The Cloak nerf is a travesty. And I remember seeing a few people who are upset with the cloak nerf who applauded the AI nerf. I repeat, THE CLOAK NERF IS indeed a TRAVESTY.
you must be reading some other set of proposals... i dont see any nerf to cloak enumerated in there anywhere. oh if you mean fixes to cloak to make it perform like it was intended then more power to SOE. right now cloak is highly abused by a large number of people and this is a step in the right direction.
jonstraf wrote:
Hmm...the reason it is getting the nerf bat is because it is out of hand. Do you know how many jedi on my server switched to a Cloak or a master powers template? that is because they are invincible. They can heal other people while they are cloaked (I.E. 4 cloaked jedi can sit there and heal one mdef as he takes on 3 guys). Also, the master powers cloakers can camp around, debuff someone then cloak again and never get hurt. Although i hate the nerfs the jedi keep getting, this is one that is kind of needed.
Now all we need is for the CM's to be addressed. Their healing mixed with their speed debuffs is way out of balance compared to our healing and our speed buffs.
My template of MLS/MP/4040 Healer is not overpowered. The cloak nerf will cripple me and probably make me retemp to some kind of FOTM.
That's wrong. It shouldn't happen.