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Thread: Cloak Nerf, and a plea to the community....:(

abbink
Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:21 pm
#27

i agree us jedi as a community need to stand together. However i really think that we should stand together and end the whole bh vs jedi wars. If that was completely out of the picture than we wouldnt have to worry about nerfs or un-nerfs any more. Jedi shouldnt have to fight. We should be using the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. Avoiding conflict is the way of the jedi. Im not speaking for the sith as they dont follow those rules. We jedi that believe in peace need to stand together and end this conflict.






Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


IceBerg1163
Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:24 pm
#28

-Abbink go pick flowers on Dant and when the Dark jedi come to cut you and your flowers down you will be in here demanding a nerf



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Bovafett
Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:53 pm
#29






Mythrindir wrote:
Sorry for my biased BH point of view but cloak was meant to be used for recon and stealth, not as an "I may not win but im sure as hell not losing" button





Honestly that doesn't bother me. I've had that happen to me plenty. The problem I have with it, is when you try to play the game in places like the DWB, and you have a cloaked jedi bringing agro to you, for no reason but just trying to be nasty. THAT isn't fun, and that, I think, is the primary reason behind it.



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IceBerg1163
Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:59 pm
#30

-hehe thxs abbink, I will give them to my mother



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One-Wit_DaForce
Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:59 pm
#31

Bump



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raziviWH
Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:46 pm
#32

1. Some jedi find a 'tactic' or exploit that misuses the system or creates an unfair advatage.
2. Said jedi share this new 'tactic' or exploit with his fellow abuser jedi.

3. Abusing/exploiting jedi use said 'tactic' or exploit constantly, drawing much attention from non-jedi and devs alike.

4. Devs 'balance' the game.

5. All non-abusing/exploiting jedi suffer while abusing/exploiting jedi go on to seek other ways to abuse and exploit.


The jedi community nails its own coffin shut. Wookiee world grinding, cloak abusing, group actions to avoid BHs, ect. The exploiters are not hurt. They just find new exploits. REAL jedis suffer.


Aint it said you are in a profession with 10 yr olds who play this game like they play HL2 or DOOM3?


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Jarc
Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:09 am
#33


Lol i gave hoursr to get cloak if they nerf it , i ll want my hours and xp's back


The yelow is yellow


Black is Black


2+2=4


you cannot say 2+2 will be 3 from now on


you cannot change everything with your own pleasure people waste time and got xp to gain a skill


Message Edited by Jarc on 09-19-2005 12:10 PM

Kev0r
Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:19 am
#34


The only reason that it's being nerfed is because of all the jerks who turned exploiting the weak points in the cloak system into an entire new way of gaming.


I'm an MDEF, but I hated seeing mini gangs of jedi taking down turrets under the old AI system. I'd watch as they ran up to the turret, spammed a load of hits, then ran back to their buddies....who would feed them some force and off they'd go again. I hate having the snare on AI, especially when it stacks into a root. But it's only that way thanks to the abusers, the same with these cloak changes.


Having cloak as an "I will never die" button is far worse than the future of cloak as it will be...





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cloudwalker1
Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:45 am
#35






Kev0r wrote:


The only reason that it's being nerfed is because of all the jerks who turned exploiting the weak points in the cloak system into an entire new way of gaming.


I'm an MDEF, but I hated seeing mini gangs of jedi taking down turrets under the old AI system. I'd watch as they ran up to the turret, spammed a load of hits, then ran back to their buddies....who would feed them some force and off they'd go again. I hate having the snare on AI, especially when it stacks into a root. But it's only that way thanks to the abusers, the same with these cloak changes.


Having cloak as an "I will never die" button is far worse than the future of cloak as it will be...







How have they changed this? If im losing i can still force run away and cloak. the only way you can hurt me then is by exploiting the /follow and doing area attacks with your friends. this will be fixed eventually and will be reported until fixed





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StarDryfter
Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:37 am
#36






Trean wrote:
Good initial post... unfortunately it has been plumeted by those jedi trolls you spoke of.






Knew it would. But it did me a small measure of good to get it off my chest.. For those who understand, if not out and out agree, Thank you. For those who just look for another point to debate endlessly and scream about how unfair their lot is in life. I respect your right to do so. Continue as you must. One and All.


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acmtalk
Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:42 am
#37






StarDryfter wrote:

I am not Powers. Never was, probably never will be.


I am a long time Defender and love my role as tank.


The Cloak nerf is a travesty. And I remember seeing a few people who are upset with the cloak nerf who applauded the AI nerf. I repeat, THE C♦LOAK NERF IS indeed a TRAVESTY.


That being said. If it comes to pass as most of us are reading it to come.....Is this enough to finally make each of us Jedi understand WE ARE A GROUP. We are NOT Defenders, Powers, MLS, Enhancers, Healers. WE ARE JEDI.


It is going to be completely appropriate for us to fight for our skills to be fixed/enhanced/not nerfed and so forth.....But we need to learn that divided we will ALL lose. The more we all yell for nerfing our fellow Jedi, the more the "others" win in their calls for our nerfs.


I am sure there will be BH's trolling our board. I am sure they will have something to say. I am sure it will be a differing opinion to mine, or ours. But that is ok.


We know the facts of what the promise of Jedi was supposed to be. We understand completely how tremedously SOE had fubared their promises to alot of classes, and we are one of those.


Together we HAVE to understand the first person who is Jedi, who yells NERF, is not a Jedi in the least. And as such, should not be fought or encouraged with the attention they get.


Lets focus on getting our proefession, JEDI, the best it can be.


I know....a pipedream.....But, I felt the need to voice my opinion when I counted 3 people in particular who screamed their support for the nerf of AI, and now are yelling about their nerf.....and they are RIGHT this time....stop the damn nerfs SOE...

Rayn





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StarDryfter
Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:51 am
#38






Nikolai_Xavierov wrote:



You're not Jedi, you dont know the first thing about being Jedi. You are Whining Wizards with glowing Lightwangs. That's all you are and all you'll ever be. Jedi will never be able to be re-tooled to be brought in line with how a Jedi should be in STAR WARS, it will always have to be tailored to be 'balanced' combatively for pvp effectiveness, because of the mentality of majority of playes who play Jedi: Whining kids.

The nerfs will continue endlessly, stop going up in arms every time they occur. It's the fault of the majority of Jedi players who will take any tool and find the most creative / original way to abuse it to the best of their ability. This causes nerfs of abilities that may have had other good utility purposes.

It's called stupid-proofing software, and for a game like this stupid proofing = nerfing. Unfortunately there are a lot more stupid Jedi than responsible ones, so expect many of your useful abilities to get nerfed if they provide any sort of angle for abuse.





Not real sure if that was aimed directly at me or not....But just in response. I am a jedi. I do play it as much as Ia m allowed AS a Jedi. I am not a Whining Wizard. And for the record, I am a mid 30's father of 4.


And I am not going to change my desire for a community to rally together, child and adult alike. Albeit unlikely I acknowledge


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poorboywrx
Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:52 am
#39

lol, i'm sitting here thinking about skills that i could pick up if i change my template that the devs wont nerf. Maybe, just maybe i'll pick up force lighting, no way in hell that's gonna get nerfed



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