Jedi Archive
Thread: BH going toe-to-toe with jedi
Angelos1987
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:47 am
#40
Hmm
BH equipment :
Pistol or w/e 3 Mill
Adk = 16 Mill
Speed + acc tapes = 10 mill
Armor = 500k
Total like 30 Million and now uber
+ grinding for a Week
Jedi Equipment
Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5 
and now i got a saber with 220 base dps and 27 FC 
and now i got a saber with 220 base dps and 27 FC Adk = 16 Mill
Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !
+ Alot grinding !
Do i have to say more ?
Jedi_Xan
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:48 am
#41
Fist_Silvervein wrote:
I'm not asking for an 'I win' button, I just expect some weaknesses in this BH/CM class combo. Everything including jedi should have a weakness and I dont think this template does
Oh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/
I am sorry to hear that you have had trouble beating that particular template. I know it can be done though, as I have seen many, many mcm go down to jedi.
JarekTalram
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:48 am
#42
Fist_Silvervein wrote:I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this when I say that I find it disturbing that any BH can go pretty much toe-to-toe with a jedi for fights up to 30minsNow I know that this game is NOTHING like the movies, which is a shame. But jedi are an Alpha class, we ground extra, we spent extra time and we all worked hard and waited to get to where we are. Our 'reward' is to have a glowing whiffle bat, BH attackable 24 and exp loss on those deaths.Why can a Bounty Hunter, who took days to grind their template stand toe to toe with a Jedi who put in so much effort. In terms of game mechanics this makes so sence, in terms of movie relevance it makes no sence (We all saw Jengo loose his head because he got too close to Mace Windu). What kind of justification is there for this? The risk nolonger = reward, and this is the foundation for any MMO.When a BH is mixed with a Combat Medic, you get imbalance. No non-jedi should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a jedi for that long because it makes no feasable sence in the whole game mechanic. Why grind for no reward? Before the BH latched onto the BH/CM combo they were using hunting tactics, sneaking around waiting for the right moment to strike, which is how a BH should be. They still stood a chance, they still had a huge array of tactics at their disposal and it was worth the payout.Now its a simple task for a BH, they have a little shopping list of all the things they need and then they can kill pretty much any jedi. Best defence, Best healing, Best debuffs, Amasing Damage (due to DoTs) and eventually great payoutsSo what should be split throughout 4 differentclass-types all rolled into one. No weaknesses, no reliances. Having the best of everything in a game is no balance, especially when they are allowed to hunt down other players and make them loose something. The only reason no other class worries about this is because they dont have them hunting after them 24/7, if they did this would have been nerfed months ago because it is clearly unbalanced. Why the devs cannot see this I have no ideaApologies for the long rant. I just needed to vent a littleKahlb Merkor
First a BH needs good equipment to be able to stand toe to toe with a Jedi. Most newbies won't have the kind of cash need to buy it and it will take them some time to collect this equipment.
Second only a BH with strong healing can stand toe to toe with a Jedi. The others need to attack at range and keep the jedi from getting into melee range as much as possible.
Third the BH has to be very good at PVP and not make mistakes. Jedi are stronger and if you make a mistake it can cost you big time.
Finally if you can't stand the heat of PVP. Why did you pick what is primarily a PVP profession like jedi?
Cibila
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:50 am
#43
Fist_Silvervein wrote:
I'm not asking for an 'I win' button, I just expect some weaknesses in this BH/CM class combo. Everything including jedi should have a weakness and I dont think this template doesOh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/Message Edited by Fist_Silvervein on 09-16-2005 08:43 PM
Sure that template has weaknesses, its just made to fight jedi and melee in general thats why you have such a hard time with it. It isnt that great against other ranged templates or even some specific jedi templates.
Sorry to break it to you, but 1 vs 1 if both players have a decent template and know what they are doing generally takes a long time.
Even though jedi is inherently more powerfull it does not make the player inherently better, nor does it imply that all jedi will be better than all other players. Learn to play your template, if you cannot defeat a certain player dont whine about jedi not being powerfull or needing to nerf other professions.
Cibila
JarekTalram
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:50 am
#44
Fist_Silvervein wrote:
I'm not asking for an 'I win' button, I just expect some weaknesses in this BH/CM class combo. Everything including jedi should have a weakness and I dont think this template doesOh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/Message Edited by Fist_Silvervein on 09-16-2005 08:43 PM
Yeah BH/CM have weaknesses. You just don't understand their template enough to defeat them or you have a Template that doesn't match up well. Watch a Master Powers Jedi fight a CM/BH.
TarsisDenai
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:51 am
#45
Angelos1987 wrote:
Hmm
BH equipment :
Pistol or w/e 3 Mill
Adk = 16 Mill
Speed + acc tapes = 10 mill
Armor = 500k
Total like 30 Million and now uber
+ grinding for a Week
Jedi Equipment
Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5
Adk = 16 Mill
Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !
+ Alot grinding !
Do i have to say more ?
Energy layered RIS isn't 500k.. I wish.. You have any idea how much a LS justspanks the conditionon non ADKed armor? You have to replace your armor about once a week. Not to mention the 75% AB slice on each piece... Makes me sad just thinking about it...
TarsisDenai
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:53 am
#46
JarekTalram wrote:
Fist_Silvervein wrote:
I'm not asking for an 'I win' button, I just expect some weaknesses in this BH/CM class combo. Everything including jedi should have a weakness and I dont think this template does
Oh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/
Message Edited by Fist_Silvervein on 09-16-2005 08:43 PM
Yeah BH/CM have weaknesses. You just don't understand their template enough to defeat them or you have a Template that doesn't match up well. Watch a Master Powers Jedi fight a CM/BH.
QFE
mpowers pretty much dominates the CM...
CM is good at fighting MLS/MD
Angelos1987
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:53 am
#47
TarsisDenai wrote:
Angelos1987 wrote:
Hmm
BH equipment :
Pistol or w/e 3 Mill
Adk = 16 Mill
Speed + acc tapes = 10 mill
Armor = 500k
Total like 30 Million and now uber
+ grinding for a Week
Jedi Equipment
Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5
Adk = 16 Mill
Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !
+ Alot grinding !
Do i have to say more ?
Energy layered RIS isn't 500k.. I wish.. You have any idea how much a LS justspanks the conditionon non ADKed armor? You have to replace your armor about once a week. Not to mention the 75% AB slice on each piece... Makes me sad just thinking about it...
And why the h3ll would you wear R.I.S. ? And why dont you just loot the parts for the AB slices with BH missions ?
EcadMistflier
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:53 am
#48
Myr-Dinn wrote:
Fist_Silvervein wrote:
Oh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/
Message Edited by Fist_Silvervein on 09-16-2005 08:43 PM
Don't forget the tons through FS. But, unlike the BH's, we *are* on hard mode instead of easy.
Random thought: hrm. Now that you mention it... why don't we get a crystal every time we kill one of the Bh's? Might make the effort dealin' with them worthwhile.
My thoughts as well. In fact let's dredge up the old xp loss thing as well. How about we get an nice negative xp or faction penalty of some kind on the MBH ( my Alt is a MBH/MRifleman) when they fail to take a Jedi down. Perhaps get them on the BH terms if they fail too often. Most of my friends who play either a Jedi or a BH or both agree. Seems fair to me.
Jedi_Xan
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:53 am
#49
I am a MR/MBH/Pistols xxx4. I have no medic in my temp, only stim d's. I can pummel an MCM/BH into the ground. Done it numerous times. It is difficult to do and the dots can really take a toll on you. Now mind you, I can beat this template, but have an extremely difficult time against alot of jedi templates, so if I can beat one, you can beat one.
abbink
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:54 am
#50
Fist_Silvervein wrote:I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this when I say that I find it disturbing that any BH can go pretty much toe-to-toe with a jedi for fights up to 30minsNow I know that this game is NOTHING like the movies, which is a shame. But jedi are an Alpha class, we ground extra, we spent extra time and we all worked hard and waited to get to where we are. Our 'reward' is to have a glowing whiffle bat, BH attackable 24 and exp loss on those deaths.Why can a Bounty Hunter, who took days to grind their template stand toe to toe with a Jedi who put in so much effort. In terms of game mechanics this makes so sence, in terms of movie relevance it makes no sence (We all saw Jengo loose his head because he got too close to Mace Windu). What kind of justification is there for this? The risk nolonger = reward, and this is the foundation for any MMO.When a BH is mixed with a Combat Medic, you get imbalance. No non-jedi should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a jedi for that long because it makes no feasable sence in the whole game mechanic. Why grind for no reward? Before the BH latched onto the BH/CM combo they were using hunting tactics, sneaking around waiting for the right moment to strike, which is how a BH should be. They still stood a chance, they still had a huge array of tactics at their disposal and it was worth the payout.Now its a simple task for a BH, they have a little shopping list of all the things they need and then they can kill pretty much any jedi. Best defence, Best healing, Best debuffs, Amasing Damage (due to DoTs) and eventually great payoutsSo what should be split throughout 4 differentclass-types all rolled into one. No weaknesses, no reliances. Having the best of everything in a game is no balance, especially when they are allowed to hunt down other players and make them loose something. The only reason no other class worries about this is because they dont have them hunting after them 24/7, if they did this would have been nerfed months ago because it is clearly unbalanced. Why the devs cannot see this I have no ideaApologies for the long rant. I just needed to vent a littleKahlb Merkor
Some would argue that becoming a jedi is reward enough. Though i would not agree. If pvp would be voluntary then i would doubt we would see post like this very often. I feel your pain though. Others would argue well than you shouldnt have become a jedi if you didnt want to pvp. I cant win against that argument either. Lets face it SOE's vision of Jedi in SWG is grind grin grind, then when your done with that grind grind grind some more. Oh and by the way when youre done grinding you have to pvp 24/7. So basically if pvp doesnt fit you game style forget about being a jedi. Problem with that is to me Jedi = star wars so i couldnt help myself i had to try to become a jedi.
acmtalk
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:54 am
#51
Fist_Silvervein wrote:
I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this when I say that I find it disturbing that any BH can go pretty much toe-to-toe with a jedi for fights up to 30mins
Any Bh?? sorry Had 4 BHs for me last night, Killed 3 in less then 40secs, And got a good fight out of 1, (about 2mins), he was MBH/CM.... Stop the Cry.
Spynet-Informant
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:57 am
#52
Your math is off. It's closer to this.
Apparently, you have been misinformed.
Angelos1987 wrote:
Hmm
BH equipment :
Pistol or w/e 13 Mill
Adk = 16 Mill Helmet
Adk = 16 Mill Chest
Adk = 16 Mill Legs
Adk = 16 Mill Right Arm Shoulder
Adk = 16 Mill Right Arm Bracer
Adk = 16 Mill Left Arm Shoulder
Adk = 16 Mill Left Arm Bracer
Speed + acc tapes = 60 mill
Armor = 3 Mill
Food & Spice = 2 Million
Total like190 Million and now able to almost equal a respecJedi
+ grinding for a Week
Jedi Equipment
Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5
Adk = 16 Mill
Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !
+ Alot grinding !
Do i have to say more ?