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Thread: BH going toe-to-toe with jedi

mebach0709
Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:14 pm
#27

I know it might seem cowardly...but just run. You aren't forced to fight BH. You get no reward from it but you do have alot to lose. If you fight for a couple minutes and it isn't going very well, switch to a defense and start getting out of there. Then the BH wasted their time, and you lived.
p897t98
Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:17 pm
#28



mebach0709 wrote:
I know it might seem cowardly...but just run. You aren't forced to fight BH. You get no reward from it but you do have alot to lose. If you fight for a couple minutes and it isn't going very well, switch to a defense and start getting out of there. Then the BH wasted their time, and you lived.





I consider BHs content, am I crazy ?




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Iawaes
Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:53 pm
#29

HAHA!!



10 premium pearls 2 get a 'decent' saber 200 million-500million


a "FULL" Jedi suit +25 specific speed/acc +25general speed/acc = 125-150million


1 year 2 unlock jedi 3months 2 grind it


and ADK for your saber 16million...


And you complain about a freaken pistol that cost u 3million or you can solo krayts all day and get 100 tissues before u get 1 pearl...


You still dont 'deserve' anything Luv it when BH's say they have it hard when they have it ez... also hate it when Post CU jedi complain...


Im Post- CU i spend about 4million credits on my jedi in total... and i can complair with the jedi who spend hundreds upon hundreds of millions...


250dps saber... and i can beat REALLY good CM/BH's its called skill... not somtin you can buy on ebay buddy somtin u have 2 work for...


Now all u BH's/Jedi stop complaining... it takes skill.. not money... skill dedication time... learn ur template and it still might take 20mins if ur gear sucks but u will win and thats all that matters...


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Paladon
Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:57 pm
#30






HarlequinMK19 wrote:


We also saw Jango Fett work over Obi-Wan on Kamino (or whatever that water planet was called.) Even after the guns from the SLAVE stopped firing, Jango went toe-to-toe with a Jedi Knight.





Compare:

1) What was Obi-Wan's objective when facing Jango?

2) What was Mace's objective when facing Jango?


Got to say, it's a heck of a lot easier to KILL outright than CAPTURE.


Would Luke have survived his encounter in Cloud City if Vader hadn't been trying to CAPTURE him?

You can apply the same thing to the fight with Darth Sidious: if Mace and the other Jedi with him didn't have the word "Arrest" in their minds, would they have all gone down so quickly?







HarlequinMK19 wrote:


Oh, and let's not forget that poor Jedi Concilman (also aMaster)that got "pwned" on the balcony...in close quarters.





Note also the Dark Jedi standing next to Jango that just lifted his cape back a tiny bit to flash his lightsaber. In the "Real"(heh) SW universe, who are you looking at, the random guy with a gun or the guy trying to take over a chunk of the galaxy that has a lightsaber right in front of you?


I think they call that a "distraction"(not unfair, just a useful tactic, heh).


You might compare that to the days before the CU. Suppose you're a Jedi Master, you see a Dark Jedi Master, both overt, and there's a BH standing next to him. Who's going to get the most of your attention?








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snipaho
Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:04 pm
#31


Out of about 15 BHs that have hunted me since the CU, not a single one of them could stand toe to toe with me. Most of them tried to do that, and those ones all died within 60 seconds. Only the ones that kite survive longer. And onlya MCM can kite me effectively. I don't think I've ever had to forceheal in a BH fight. Aura, Valor, Infusion is enough for mdef against these guys.


The only way a BH can stand toe to toe with you is probably because your saber blows.



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syykodisco
Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:45 pm
#32

Sure, nerf them so that they stand almost nochance of going toe to toe with a jedi, and a less likely possiblitly to do thier job alone. Just allow a Master Bounty Hunter to take a mission and solo it if he/she dare (since he will most likely stand no chance to do his job)and justallow him to be smart and group with 2 other hunters and fight us 3 on 1 with all hunters getting full payout and kicking your butt the same anyways.


<turn sarcasim off>


You choose to play a jedi, and currently this is how the system is set up. A Bounty Hunter may almost be to balanced with jedi, but hey.. jedi are the ones that complained that they should be forced to hunt us solo. And to be able to do thier job (while it sucks on our end) they need to be closely balanced. I do believe they are nearly to balanced and a fight should not last up near 30 minutesm but that is merely my opinion. If you do not like the idea of a bounty hunter being able to take your missions and have a chance to kill you, you can do 2 simple things... either stay off the terms or don't be a jedi.


Jedi is an alpha class, it is a priviledge to play as one.






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Fist_Silvervein
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:36 am
#33

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this when I say that I find it disturbing that any BH can go pretty much toe-to-toe with a jedi for fights up to 30mins


Now I know that this game is NOTHING like the movies, which is a shame. But jedi are an Alpha class, we ground extra, we spent extra time and we all worked hard and waited to get to where we are. Our 'reward' is to have a glowing whiffle bat, BH attackable 24 and exp loss on those deaths.


Why can a Bounty Hunter, who took days to grind their template stand toe to toe with a Jedi who put in so much effort. In terms of game mechanics this makes so sence, in terms of movie relevance it makes no sence (We all saw Jengo loose his head because he got too close to Mace Windu). What kind of justification is there for this? The risk nolonger = reward, and this is the foundation for any MMO.


When a BH is mixed with a Combat Medic, you get imbalance. No non-jedi should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a jedi for that long because it makes no feasable sence in the whole game mechanic. Why grind for no reward? Before the BH latched onto the BH/CM combo they were using hunting tactics, sneaking around waiting for the right moment to strike, which is how a BH should be. They still stood a chance, they still had a huge array of tactics at their disposal and it was worth the payout.


Now its a simple task for a BH, they have a little shopping list of all the things they need and then they can kill pretty much any jedi. Best defence, Best healing, Best debuffs, Amasing Damage (due to DoTs) and eventually great payouts


So what should be split throughout 4 differentclass-types all rolled into one. No weaknesses, no reliances. Having the best of everything in a game is no balance, especially when they are allowed to hunt down other players and make them loose something. The only reason no other class worries about this is because they dont have them hunting after them 24/7, if they did this would have been nerfed months ago because it is clearly unbalanced. Why the devs cannot see this I have no idea


Apologies for the long rant. I just needed to vent a little


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Jedi_Xan
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:40 am
#34






Fist_Silvervein wrote:

I want my "I win" button. I ground more, I pay my 15/month to be able to one hit people, yet I cant. It's not fair, where is my "I win" button!


Apologies for the long rant. I just needed to vent a little


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TarsisDenai
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:41 am
#35

You grind extra - We spend a bajillion credits in order to fight you... Seems fair...



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Fist_Silvervein
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:42 am
#36


I'm not asking for an 'I win' button, I just expect some weaknesses in this BH/CM class combo. Everything including jedi should have a weakness and I dont think this template does


Oh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/

Message Edited by Fist_Silvervein on 09-16-2005 08:43 PM

mindspat
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:43 am
#37






Fist_Silvervein wrote:

Apologies for the long rant. I just needed to vent a little


Kahlb Merkor





Sounds like someone lost.



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Gohma_Manovich
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:44 am
#38

problem is that there is not so much effort being into jedi now than there was at the start, grinding is alot quicker/easier so our rewards get taken back as well which is a right bain in the ass when you did holos and then village and then did pre-cu jedi



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Myr-Dinn
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:45 am
#39






Fist_Silvervein wrote:



Oh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/

Message Edited by Fist_Silvervein on 09-16-2005 08:43 PM




Don't forget the tons through FS. But, unlike the BH's, we *are* on hard mode instead of easy.


Random thought: hrm. Now that you mention it... why don't we get a crystal every time we kill one of the Bh's? Might make the effort dealin' with them worthwhile.





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