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Thread: Cloak DONT need a SNARE
ValinCalred wrote:
Heh, AI and cloak are not comparable at ALL. Just because Jedi can't be killed while on either doesn't mean they are the same. With AI people still can dish out their normal damage. With cloak you cannot attack. AI can be activated at any time so long as the Jedi has enough force. Cloak can only be activated 16m away from all players, npcs, droids, swoops, and pets. Moving on to the Devs holy of holies idea of "HOW CERTAIN SPECIALS MUST BE USED," AI, even with the snare, allows the mdef to become the ultimate tank while ai is on. While cloak allows first strike capabilities...wait...how? I guess we have to wait for our enemies to come to us??
You're wrong, they are comparable in that they both are going to be worthless due to the same -snare-.
I can assure you, a -snared- Jedi on AI is easy to kill PvP. And if you need to use AI in today's combat to kill a creature in PvE, quite frankly you must not be any good at PvE (and no, that is not an insult directed at you).
mczx wrote:
This is all in preperation for the FRS. Everyone who picked up cloak as a "get out of jail free card" is now back on a level playing field with everyone else. Cloak is so exploitable it's not even funny. You can be sf,cloaked, and heal other sf members, channel force to them all while not being attackable yourself. You think that is fair? Adding a snare to cloak makes sense. FR3 is slower than a barc so can be chased down. Not always able to escape. Stasis as an escape? Might work if it's 1v1 but thats kind of rare and more than likely if it's 1v1 a Menh isn't going to run. Avoid Incap has a snare so you can't use that as an escape. Currently "cloak" is the ONLY skill in the game that allows you to truely escape. I can't even tell you how many timesI have been within 10m and they still were able to cloak and escape. I think the alternative to cloak would be a timer to give you first strike ability but a long reuse timer so you can't just keep re-cloaking.
Message Edited by mczx on 09-20-2005 01:23 PM
I agree that there was no way to keep it as is without it being used as an escape tactic. That's why I think they should have just removed the skill from the game, not nerf it until you can't use it (as a Jedi it's not useable with the force cost+snare).
btw, don't be to sure about Master Enhancers. FR3 + Stasis IS a get of jail free card. In large PvP, Cloak was worthless once you attacked and decloaked (too many people around to just cloak, that's the drawback in large PvP fights), using cloak in PvP has always been more of a 1vs1 way to escape/recharge.
Trust me, if the devs are nerfing cloak because Jedi were escaping combat, just wait until all the Jedi retemplate to Master Enahncers. Stasis+FR3 = never have to worry about BH's, period. FRS, if the rumor of it being 1vs1, stasis+FR3 will never let you die. Even if it's group play, Stasis will be the ultimate escape/group attackas you can stasis one and fight off the other as it recharges. Then have both stasis.
Future of Jedi combat, all are Master Enhancers or Master DEfenders. Either add MLS or dabblers, most are going to have one of those masteries for the most part.
shafar wrote:
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
felipz wrote:
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
Ryle80 wrote:
Cloak is not a god mode button... if you want cloak you must sacrifice a lot of skills, cause MPowers is weak. A root and you are dead.
Before snare AI was "god mode on button"... AI, fr2 and bye.
Yes, but cloak isnt at master powers, its only a 4th tier skill
AI + FR2 = 89+28 (exactly half the sp of a double mastery temp)skill points btw compared with 28 for cloak.
Message Edited by Ryle80 on 09-20-200510:28 AM
Make a snare on cloak dont prevent run away from enemy...
You run, get the 20m, and the cloak
+snare+
You can get out there without any problem...
I mean for offensive tactis
You see enemies... see the healers behind...
cloak
+snare+
When you get at the healers you dont have force.
Is this a logical NERF????????????
Understand what I mean?
Thanks.
That's the nerf they are telling us ... now they said they want cloak to be used for first strikes. There is where the stealth nerf comes in ! Or not.
At least... someone that get it
/clap
I think we all get it. You don't have AI so you don't care about the snare, but you do have cloak and now you are pissed. In my opinion peoople like you are what is wrong with this game. (nerf everyone else, but leave my temp alone)
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
shafar wrote:
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
felipz wrote:
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
Ryle80 wrote:
Cloak is not a god mode button... if you want cloak you must sacrifice a lot of skills, cause MPowers is weak. A root and you are dead.
Before snare AI was "god mode on button"... AI, fr2 and bye.
Yes, but cloak isnt at master powers, its only a 4th tier skill
AI + FR2 = 89+28 (exactly half the sp of a double mastery temp)skill points btw compared with 28 for cloak.
Message Edited by Ryle80 on 09-20-200510:28 AM
Make a snare on cloak dont prevent run away from enemy...
You run, get the 20m, and the cloak
+snare+
You can get out there without any problem...
I mean for offensive tactis
You see enemies... see the healers behind...
cloak
+snare+
When you get at the healers you dont have force.
Is this a logical NERF????????????
Understand what I mean?
Thanks.
That's the nerf they are telling us ... now they said they want cloak to be used for first strikes. There is where the stealth nerf comes in ! Or not.
At least... someone that get it
/clap
I think we all get it. You don't have AI so you don't care about the snare, but you do have cloak and now you are pissed. In my opinion peoople like you are what is wrong with this game. (nerf everyone else, but leave my temp alone)
Before talk... read my posts... I NEVER ask for a NERF for ANY ABILITY (Jedi or non Jedi). I dont talk about Defenders abilities... cause I AM NOT A DEFENDER, and i cant talk about it cause i dont know properly that skill tree. But a lot of people here talk about abilities without having knowlenge of it.
Thanks
u tell her
PredicadoR wrote:
Hi Usbek!
I have been Jedi since January 2005. I am a pre-CU jedi, and i have feel in my skin all the nerfs. If you think about all the changes we have suffered, you will see the DEV's plan. The plan is turn jedi into swordmans with magic swords. Yes, this is SW so they need Jedi to make the game more starwasy. But the Jedi hinder...
We have DEVs controlling this game that havent seen the films or dont know nothing about Star Wars Universe.
How think a DEV: So if the Jedi get cloaked and nobody can see him, they must move slow to like a thief or a rogue. ¬¬'
They dont know NOTHING about the force, about the Jedi. Some day we could see dragons or orcs spawning in Theed.
Add +SNARE+ to cloak is destroy the skill. If u get cloaked and snared, cloak doesnt work. Everybody will drop it, and again we will fight in the Jedi Clone Wars.
We have the enemy inside. We pay this broke game, bcos we love SW and all we get is DEV's hate. Perhaps it is time to play other games...
Il'Predi JGR's
Dark Jedi Knight
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
PredicadoR wrote:
Hi Usbek!
I have been Jedi since January 2005. I am a pre-CU jedi, and i have feel in my skin all the nerfs. If you think about all the changes we have suffered, you will see the DEV's plan. The plan is turn jedi into swordmans with magic swords. Yes, this is SW so they need Jedi to make the game more starwasy. But the Jedi hinder...
We have DEVs controlling this game that havent seen the films or dont know nothing about Star Wars Universe.
How think a DEV: So if the Jedi get cloaked and nobody can see him, they must move slow to like a thief or a rogue. ¬¬'
They dont know NOTHING about the force, about the Jedi. Some day we could see dragons or orcs spawning in Theed.
Add +SNARE+ to cloak is destroy the skill. If u get cloaked and snared, cloak doesnt work. Everybody will drop it, and again we will fight in the Jedi Clone Wars.
We have the enemy inside. We pay this broke game, bcos we love SW and all we get is DEV's hate. Perhaps it is time to play other games...
Il'Predi JGR's
Dark Jedi Knight
Jedi are underpower (not a cry is a true and Jedi must be powerful like or dislike to the other professions). Doctors and Combat Medics Wars (yes.. everyone is doc or CM or at least have a branche of it). All the weapons are the same damage. All armors are basically the same. Wins who can drain mind of opponent (that the same preCU). Devs made so EASY get a Jedi (and now nerf by nerf the want to fix that problem). Double XP and respec messed all. Alters now must be BH to get some loot. No content. Nuubs Jedi showing their saber on every starport (bring permaovert and FRS now and a lot of Jedi dissapear). Silly templates more powerful like a jedi (Swordmans/Doctors, a powerhammer is more powerful than a lightsaber). With 250 skill points of normal profession can have a well rounded template.... a Jedi CAN NOT, if you want offense you must leave defense or viceversa.
There are so many problems with the game right now.
Now for sure a lot of people start to flame and ask why i still playing. Well, some of us, spend 2 years to get something that was a Jedi a long time ago... now is a JOKE with a glowy stick, and people ask for more nerf.
Some players and DEV's are ruining a so nice game.
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RyFord wrote:
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Message Edited by Court-Jester on 09-20-2005 04:24 PM
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
felipz wrote:
Usbek_Wokei wrote:
Ryle80 wrote:
Cloak is not a god mode button... if you want cloak you must sacrifice a lot of skills, cause MPowers is weak. A root and you are dead.Before snare AI was "god mode on button"... AI, fr2 and bye.
Yes, but cloak isnt at master powers, its only a 4th tier skill
AI + FR2 = 89+28 (exactly half the sp of a double mastery temp)skill points btw compared with 28 for cloak.Message Edited by Ryle80 on 09-20-200510:28 AM
Make a snare on cloak dont prevent run away from enemy...You run, get the 20m, and the cloak+snare+You can get out there without any problem...I mean for offensive tactisYou see enemies... see the healers behind...cloak+snare+When you get at the healers you dont have force.Is this a logical NERF????????????Understand what I mean?Thanks.
That's the nerf they are telling us ... now they said they want cloak to be used for first strikes. There is where the stealth nerf comes in ! Or not.
At least... someone that get it/clap
I think we all get it. You don't have AI so you don't care about the snare, but you do have cloak and now you are pissed. In my opinion peoople like you are what is wrong with this game. (nerf everyone else, but leave my temp alone)