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Thread: Force should regen at the same rate mind regens when sitting.
mauvros wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
mauvros wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
"Force should regen at the same rate mind regens when sitting."
Ok, well you just made Jedi more powerful globally (Tiggs would say that
)as well as made an entire line of Enhancer suck.
Jedi has always been designed to be short term fighters, they were never supposed to be the main attackers in PvP. Now I think one can argue that since we've been nerfed our roles should also change but the devs have decidednot to touch that issue with a ten foot pole. Guess we'll have to wait until they decide to give the entire Jedi profession a revamp to address yourissue.
True true... But I also said this...
I understand Meditate will become useless and so if they dont want to do the above make Meditate regen as fast as an Elite template mind bar does when sitting.
But that would remove the whole, short term fighter. Yeah it would make Meditate actually worth something (which IMO it's crap atmas I have it) but it would aslo make it so Jedi are back in battles much quicker than devs want them. The 10-15 min breaks are done on purpose, devs have stated this a lot recently. Only way I can see them making changes is nerfing Jedi more (which frankly I can't see how that is possible aside from a few skills) or as I hope revamp the entire profession (I prefer this one).
This is why I play my alt now.
If the downtime was suplimented with power I could live with all of that.
Sadly its not and never will be because EVERYONE and their mother is Jedi. So might as well make us like the rest of the Elite templates.
Hell, you know what... Nerf us more, Take away the "1.5x as strong" and remove the force bar completely. Im down with that.
Technically the 1.5X is not in effect IMO. That was something that a dev at one point thought Jedi should be, at this time we are near equal in every way with the exception of a few skills. When healing was at our advantage yep we were 1.5X and some templates were as much as 4 to 5X . Block, Cloak, AI, and possible FRare the main skills that would need to be removed/altered if Jedi was to be put in as a normal profession. Also you'd have to increase warmups for some specials (such as Aura), I'm sure there are others.
KenzoDarkron wrote:
Force does need to regen faster than it does now....meditate is basically useless as it stands now. The best thing for the devs to do in this situation would be to restructure the xxx4 tree of Enhancer to work like TK meditation, where you get basic meditation at the first box, improved meditation at the 4th box and Advance meditation at Master Enhancer. Give each new meditation a +(number) increase.
Channel should remain as is where you may channel in combat to the detriment of your health bar.
If these suggested changes are made then you would not need to increase the regen rate.
BTW, FIX the regen tapes so they actually work....that would help too.
I recently started using channel, and as far as I can tell, it only drains action and mind. Quite heavily in fact to the point that if you are not careful, none left.
Maybe I am stupid and I dont see why it should cost action at all to channel, and the mind cost should be minimal since you only gain a small chuck of force.
Regen is way to slow and that is why I picked up channel. I have only used it in group grinding and it seemed to work well and I was able to manage my force pool without need to stop play just to regen.
mauvros wrote:
Have fun at work, and its all part of my "Strategy"
Atobe wrote:
mauvros wrote:
Have fun at work, and its all part of my "Strategy"
Hmmm, was that a hint?
BTW: Anyone who knows me knows that my forum name is the same as my toon's, but that doesn't mean I have to broadcast what server I play on.
Message Edited by mauvros on 09-12-2005 01:41 PM
mauvros wrote:
Atobe wrote:
mauvros wrote:
Have fun at work, and its all part of my "Strategy"
Hmmm, was that a hint?
BTW: Anyone who knows me knows that my forum name is the same as my toon's, but that doesn't mean I have to broadcast what server I play on.
Hmmmm.. maybe...
ACMwith all his boasting isnt very smart. Its not to hard to figure out an ingame in on these forums in most cases.
Look at his Forum name..... WHOA!!! its the same as his ingame name!!! Stop it!! YES!! ITS TRUE!!
Message Edited by mauvros on 09-12-2005 01:41 PM
Not at all, or at least I dont know anyone named mauvros in corbantis, never heard of, and never dueled you....
Is it a little slow now? yes...but it shouldn't be the same as aanother HAM bar. Part of being a Jedi is managing that force bar the best way you can.
Having force troubles, pickup channel...given force meditate should work a bit better, but for better force regen get skills to reflect it.
mauvros wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
i dont ever remember in any jedi movie of the force just running out on a character...why in the world does soe have to impliment a force bar in the first place. it goes against every star wars movie. yes, the force gets greater the more you increase your templates but for the force to be drained away is saying that there is a finite amount of the force allocated to each jedi and then... no moresoup for you!...
Because this is "PRE JEDI NERF" thinking. Back when Jedi was uber you needed to stop them with something or they could grind 24/7 without any downtime.
Now that we have been reduced to pretty much the same power as an Elite template you really could completely remove the force bar.
The Mind Bar= The new force bar. Without ones mind you cant heal and your dead. This is a rule for every profession except Jedi because if we also have no force and a full tank of mind we are also dead.
Message Edited by mauvros on 09-12-2005 11:32 AM
mauvros wrote:
They should make it as useful as sitting with the mind bar.
Right now meditate is useless. Channel is also not so hot, From Zero force I can channel to full in 5 minutes but have only 800 health. 1 hit deadsky.
Channeling from about 1/3rd to full puts me down to 300 health. But I suppose that'd be different for people with different sized force pools.Message Edited by Atobe on 09-12-2005 03:16 PM
mauvros wrote:
acmtalk wrote:
nah, Thats WHy we have meditate + channel, Just get some enhancer and u should be fine....
Your kidding right?
I have enchancer upto x x x 2. Meditate is not worth it.
Your kidding yourself if you think its going to be ok when the FRS returns, and dont tell me its all about force management. A single fight can eat upto 50% of your force bar.
Its all about strategy.. You got manage your force at all times, I think it adds more "Strategy" to the game... I say keep it how it is... You guys Cry too much.
Notaku wrote:
mauvros wrote:
KRAKEN666 wrote:
i dont ever remember in any jedi movie of the force just running out on a character...why in the world does soe have to impliment a force bar in the first place. it goes against every star wars movie. yes, the force gets greater the more you increase your templates but for the force to be drained away is saying that there is a finite amount of the force allocated to each jedi and then... no moresoup for you!...
Because this is "PRE JEDI NERF" thinking. Back when Jedi was uber you needed to stop them with something or they could grind 24/7 without any downtime.
Now that we have been reduced to pretty much the same power as an Elite template you really could completely remove the force bar.
The Mind Bar= The new force bar. Without ones mind you cant heal and your dead. This is a rule for every profession except Jedi because if we also have no force and a full tank of mind we are also dead.
Message Edited by mauvros on 09-12-2005 11:32 AM
If you are talking about pre cu, but POST patch 9....Most jedi used a lower gen saber like 1st or 2nd which had virtually no force cost. If you put a -9 crystal/pearl in a 1st gen saber you could get the FC down to like 5....you will never run out of force as long as you were running missions, the transit time regened it for you...Now, pre 9...it was all about auto attacking until you had a hefty force pool, I never played witha hefty force pool (I got like 4232 in the first tree) so I cant comment on that...
Im pre pub 9 and while I had a low FC saber it would still work its way down to zero while grinding.
Those days are long over, now we have HEAVY force costs for all specials, along with HEAVY action costs, AND (as if that wasnt enough) HEAVY mind costs when healing.
acmtalk wrote:
mauvros wrote:
acmtalk wrote:
nah, Thats WHy we have meditate + channel, Just get some enhancer and u should be fine....
Your kidding right?
I have enchancer upto x x x 2. Meditate is not worth it.
Your kidding yourself if you think its going to be ok when the FRS returns, and dont tell me its all about force management. A single fight can eat upto 50% of your force bar.
Its all about strategy.. You got manage your force at all times, I think it adds more "Strategy" to the game... I say keep it how it is... You guys Cry too much.
They have lower SAC weapons
They have higher damage weapons
They can use Armor
They can use Power Ups to enchance all aspect of their weapons (As if their superior weapons werent enough)
They have the same amount of health, action and mind
They can regen HAM within 10 seconds
They have have access to higher speed buffs than we do
They arent hunted and never experience XP loss
They can heal better than us
and many more.....
But we are 1.5x as powerful right?
Cry to much... with people like you Jedi will never get fixed.
Message Edited by mauvros on 09-12-2005 12:26 PM
mauvros wrote:
acmtalk wrote:
mauvros wrote:
acmtalk wrote:
nah, Thats WHy we have meditate + channel, Just get some enhancer and u should be fine....
Your kidding right?
I have enchancer upto x x x 2. Meditate is not worth it.
Your kidding yourself if you think its going to be ok when the FRS returns, and dont tell me its all about force management. A single fight can eat upto 50% of your force bar.
Its all about strategy.. You got manage your force at all times, I think it adds more "Strategy" to the game... I say keep it how it is... You guys Cry too much.
Cry to much? and your the kind of Jedi who gets kicked while hes down and looks up and asks for more.
and where is this Strategy with the Elite templates?
We are supposed to be better than Elite templates yet...
They have lower SAC weapons
They have higher damage weapons
They can use Armor
They can use Power Ups to enchance all aspect of their weapons (As if their superior weapons werent enough)
They have the same amount of health, action and mind
They can regen HAM within 10 seconds
They have have access to higher speed buffs than we do
They arent hunted and never experience XP loss
They can heal better than us
and many more.....
But we are 1.5x as powerful right?
Cry to much... with people like you Jedi will never get fixed.
Message Edited by mauvros on 09-12-2005 12:26 PM
We don't need A FIX! (maybe a few Things like healer and Speed mods work), But force is fine where it is!, And Yes we are 1.5x Stronger, Hell We are even more, We need Less Noobs Who cant play the game, Crying all over all the times...