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Thread: Are there really Jedi here that think we are 1.5 times stronger than non-jedi?
Of course not. The original intention was to have only a few Jedi, so they could be the "big guns". In theory, it wouldn'tbe unbalancing because there would be a small number of them. Now, the Village is pumping out batch after batch of Jedi. I went there to get a Bacta Tank last phase, and there must have been 50 people or more doing that unlock... and that's just the time I went there. Each phase, there's probably 30 new Jedi. Originally, 30 would have been considered a huge amount of Jedi. That's why they're not as strong as originally designed.
DigitalMice wrote:
Eleutherios wrote:
Hehe. In one thread, Jedi brag about how they've beaten every BH that has come after them except that one time they were AFK. In another, Jedi complain about not being 1.5x stronger than normal profs. Seriously, make up your mind.
/agreed. All I'm saying is Jedi are no where near as strong as they were Pre-Cu. I have only had problems with one bh in all the post cu battles I have had. I'm saying, we are not 1.5 times stronger as was originally intended, imho.
I guess I'll point this out once again.
The only way Jedi are 1.5x stronger is this:
Master <Any Jedi Discipline> = CL 80
Master <Any Normal Profession> = CL 55
55 X 1.5 = 82.5
The 1.5 the Devs claim is not accurate when you take into account that Double Masters on both sides cap out at level 80.
Try this on for size, Become a Master Enhancer with FS Crafting Mastery, FS Luck and FS Surveying you are CL 80 after spending 113 skill points.
Add to that Master Weaponsmith and Merchant 0004. You end up with about a 11 points left over, but you are CL 80 based solely on Mastery of ONE job.
Now, look at the flip side. A MBH or MSmug or MCM or any other hybrid profession getting Single Mastery consumes 121 skill points abd leaves them at CL 55.
Add to that Master Dancer and Novice Musician which leaves 3 skill points.
So now pit your Jedi Enhancer up againstthe Bounty Hunting Dancer and see who is clearly stronger.
Normalsmust take a second and oftentimes a third prefession in order to make it to CL 80 and they barely make it there before running out of points.
The 1.5x stronger argument holds no value once the "normals" are CL 80.
Don't believe everything the Devs tell you.
Message Edited by ffdemt on 09-10-2005 05:52 AM
Eleutherios wrote:
Hehe. In one thread, Jedi brag about how they've beaten every BH that has come after them except that one time they were AFK. In another, Jedi complain about not being 1.5x stronger than normal profs. Seriously, make up your mind.
Its because the ones who can play, beat any BH its the noobs who cant play, that gets beaten by BHs and the only ones whining.
the pre cu 700 max saber crew gets beaten into the ground by melee its the way it works.
Ajae wrote:
Eleutherios wrote:
Hehe. In one thread, Jedi brag about how they've beaten every BH that has come after them except that one time they were AFK. In another, Jedi complain about not being 1.5x stronger than normal profs. Seriously, make up your mind.
Its because the ones who can play, beat any BH its the noobs who cant play, that gets beaten by BHs and the only ones whining.
DigitalMice wrote:
Are there really Jedi here that think we aer 1.5 times stronger than non-Jedi?
Honestly, and this is not a flame, but I feel that if you think Jedi are "strong" now, you are a post-cu Jedi.
The other day I watched a non-Jedi kill 3 out of 6 Jedi that were on him. The Jedi that were on him were all from the upper echelon of the FRS pre-cu. They are the ones that you would NOT want to meet in a dark alley, even if you had 2 to 1 odds, pre cu.
A few people from our guild have started playing strictly on our non-Jedi and found it to be easier AND stronger. I can stand in front of 2 Jedi and just heal their damage without them killing me.
I know this all seems like the typical "Jedi crying" but come on. Stop with the KashtafarEQ2instanced espansions and make the game fun again. If anything, just open up a pre-cu server and see how many people play on it. Isn't SOE here to make the game fun for us? We pay them, so shouldn't they listen to what we beg and plea for? Look at the other thread where 95% of people that responded want the Precu back.
/sigh I regress. This is useless.
Yes. I might even say 2.5x vsranged, 1.5x vs melee
CIRY
Sandsifter wrote:
there are no jedi templates right now that can beat a bh cm with half a brain . and im talking about jedi's that are every templ ive seen and are good pvp'ers.the healing on cm with driods is just too high. there are less good bh's out there since respect has faded but if a bh that has spent his time learning his trade as a cm bh your toast and dont lie u know it.. lev it out devs!!Incorrect, and Im one of those so-called arrogant ones that has never lost to a BH either. Its all about template and strategy cause my saber isnt the best, 660 max damage 10fc 96 actionMy template... MLS, 4/4/4/0 Defender, 2/0/0/3 Enhancer, 4/0/0/0 Healer.My strategy....thundercloud food which adds +100 ranged defense, Pikatta Pie which adds +45 dodge, spiced tea which adds to Mind regen, the drink that speeds up stims (not that i need it really). and most importantly an R3 combat droid with +114 auto heal turned on. In addition I have droid D repair kits which work like stim d's with me.A bh relies on his equipment and food, so should we. If you follow this and have the right template there is no way you should lose ever to a BH. I have yet to even be forced to use a holocron.
Have these people fought the "MASTER BH/ MASTER CM's" ... those are what we mean here. Why does this make a difference? Plain and simple, improved THYROID RUPTURE. In the person aboves case, he has Force Speed one. Only boosting his speed by 10 (already low). With improved Thyroid rupture on him, he will be -30 in speed. I can't see you hitting them at once per every 6 seconds. If you can honestly tell me that a MBH/MCM can't keep up with his healing from you hitting him once per every 6 seconds or more time, then you haven't fought a decent BH. Once your thyroid rupture runs out... PARALYZE...thyroid rupture again. You people who say they are easy to kill must not have fought one with half a brain.
Pday wrote:
the pre cu 700 max saber crew gets beaten into the ground by melee its the way it works.
Ajae wrote:
Eleutherios wrote:
Hehe. In one thread, Jedi brag about how they've beaten every BH that has come after them except that one time they were AFK. In another, Jedi complain about not being 1.5x stronger than normal profs. Seriously, make up your mind.
Its because the ones who can play, beat any BH its the noobs who cant play, that gets beaten by BHs and the only ones whining.
Then you need to do some more pvp. I have never been beaten by a melee nor a mbh/mcm.
Though if the mbh/mcm really knows what he is doing, a holocron comes in really handy.
And I have 600 max saber btw
if you havent been beaten by a melee/doc combo the melee doc combos on your server sucks
Ajae wrote:
Pday wrote:
the pre cu 700 max saber crew gets beaten into the ground by melee its the way it works.
Ajae wrote:
Eleutherios wrote:
Hehe. In one thread, Jedi brag about how they've beaten every BH that has come after them except that one time they were AFK. In another, Jedi complain about not being 1.5x stronger than normal profs. Seriously, make up your mind.
Its because the ones who can play, beat any BH its the noobs who cant play, that gets beaten by BHs and the only ones whining.
Then you need to do some more pvp. I have never been beaten by a melee nor a mbh/mcm.
Though if the mbh/mcm really knows what he is doing, a holocron comes in really handy.
And I have 600 max saber btw