Jedi Archive
Thread: Remove jedi from the GCW, then make them stronger
Dlek_Krego wrote:
heapum wrote:
Star-Crusher wrote:
This thread isn't about being at a non-jedi level. What is being proposed is to remove us from the GCW, increase our potency(pvp and pve), leave the xp requirements the same, and allow us our own war via the FRS. Aside from any jedi who simply want to pwn n00bs in pvp who really stand no chance against a jedi, this is a win/win for us and SOE.
What would be the point of having the jedi if you couldn't impact the mainstream player base? its like seperating the bullies from the nerds and putting them into their own little sand box. its kinda counter productive to the concepts behind the MMO.
There are many more ways to impact the player base than bullying them around in the sand box. But when you do put them in the same box, you can't give the "bullies" crowbars and the "nerds" wiffle-bats and expect a balance game play.
But I will use your "bullies vs. nerds" type logic to counter you. Why do you think in high school, the Varsity team is seperated from the JR. Varsity? because if they were all mixed, the JR's and SR's would hog the games from the Sophomores and Freshmen, making very unbalanced teams, causing arguments within the ranks, and thus a losing football team. See what I am saying?
Sadly jedi crowbar poweris nowhere near to overpowering the non jedis wuffle bat power. I got stomped out by a melee doc just yesterday and I am currently a master defender. the MCM/MBH template appears to be wreaking havoc on all jedi in general besides master powers templates. And their are hordes of other templates out there that put a jedi in check easily.
Also freshmen, Jr varsity, and varsity football can been seen in a player progression form. The freshman line backer graduates to the JR varsity team once he demonstrates his ability to compete on that level. In terms of jedi vs non jedi with jedi having thier former power, then yes they would need to be split up from every one else. however your string of logic is assuming that the non jedi player can't progress to the jedis level of power, in which they can at this point and time under the current combat system. Just tack on doc 4000 or Cm 4000 and wether your ranged or melee you can stand toe to to with any jedi out there.
Splitting up the jedi and non jedi in terms of PvP tiers wouldn't solve jack.
You're right, our power isn't as strong as it used to be. Isn't that part of the point of this thread? Jedi were never balanced for the CU like the other professions. If they decide to bother balancing us, we will certainly be overpowering to many, if not all non-jedi templates. Pulling us from the GCW could allow us the power we want.
There are many non-jedi professions that need balancing also. I'm not sure if it's just the easiest, or if it just works the best, but isn't everyone else bored of fighting the same BH/CMs everyday? I have a BH alt and I stopped running player bounties because the long, drawn out fights bored me to death.
I think it's too late and I'm not thinking clearly so this whole post probably doesn't make sense(even to me:smileyvery-happy
. I just know that for me, a Star Wars fan, seeing so many Jedi out there fighting alongside stormtroopers, etc in this time period is just not right. If they made jedi truly rare, like they said pre-launch, we wouldn't be discussing this I don't think. They can't and won't do that now, so here we are. Give us our Jedi vs. Jedi war and let's leave the GCW to what we all saw in the original trilogy movies.
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Rebel ColonelTerrible. That would be a deathblow to this entire game. I could see half of the players quit over night.Most peoplegrinded jedi to use them in the GCW. Server populations are already way down. We don't need to lose anymore players.
DustusNavar wrote:
The biggest argurment against making jedi a strong, alpha class that they should be is that it can't be done in a MMO because then all players will have to be the alpha class to compete. Well, since this is Star Wars and there's nothing more Star Warsy than a jedi I tend to believe that a majority of players would want to be jedi anyways...
But here's what I would like to see: remove jedi from the pvpGCW. Get them out of there. Jedi are supposed to be in hiding, not fighting wars. The only jedi that is involved in the GCW is Luke. That's it. Let Luke be our flag bearer, we're all supposed tokeep it low key. Let's all agree that, for the sake of the game, we do not belong in this fight. That's why we are given a second character slot, this is the toon we should be fighting the war with. The FRS should be the jedi's GCW, we should be fighting each other (and bounty hunters).
Now, once we're out of the pvp GCW we can actually be made stronger, like a jedi should. Increase our damage output, increase our healing abilities, etc.
Under the new systema BH should not be able to stand toe to toe with a fully prepared, fully templated jedi. The BH should have to plan their attack very carefully to be able to kill a jedi, i.e. find one in battle who's already wounded, etc. This would be much more in line with the Star Wars universe. BH have great NPC missions with great rewards, so it's not like they'd have nothing to do. Quite the opposite. If jedi were stronger it would give the BH more of a challenge and make the missions much more interesting and involved, as there'd be a lot more to getting your mark besides launching a few droids. Actual skill and planning would have to be used to be able to take down your make. I'd also like to see the payout raised to be inline with the new, more powerful jedi.
I know it's not a new idea, but with the FRS currently being revamped (hopefully) now would be the perfect time to start the ball rolling on this change.
Message Edited by DustusNavar on 09-23-200510:56 AM
I fully agree!
If they want to keep Jedi in PvP, then add that 4th tier to it, so the mainstream GCW can survive.
Star-Crusher wrote:
Server populations are down partially due to people sick of seeing jedi in the GCW. Jedi are NOT special as long as we are tossed in the mix to slaughter those who are not Jedi. Jedi is NOT something that's difficult to attain. There ARE people who have no desire to become jedi.
Message Edited by Star-Crusher on 09-23-2005 03:42 PM
this aint the movies this is a game.
DustusNavar wrote:
The biggest argurment against making jedi a strong, alpha class that they should be is that it can't be done in a MMO because then all players will have to be the alpha class to compete. Well, since this is Star Wars and there's nothing more Star Warsy than a jedi I tend to believe that a majority of players would want to be jedi anyways...
But here's what I would like to see: remove jedi from the pvpGCW. Get them out of there. Jedi are supposed to be in hiding, not fighting wars. The only jedi that is involved in the -GCW is Luke. That's it. Let Luke be our flag bearer, we're all supposed tokeep it low key. Let's all agree that, for the sake of the game, we do not belong in this fight. That's why we are given a second character slot, this is the toon we should be fighting the war with. The FRS should be the jedi's GCW, we should be fighting each other (and bounty hunters).
Now, once we're out of the pvp GCW we can actually be made stronger, like a jedi should. Increase our damage output, increase our healing abilities, etc.
Under the new systema BH should not be able to stand toe to toe with a fully prepared, fully templated jedi. The BH should have to plan their attack very carefully to be able to kill a jedi, i.e. find one in battle who's already wounded, etc. This would be much more in line with the Star Wars universe. BH have great NPC missions with great rewards, so it's not like they'd have nothing to do. Quite the opposite. If jedi were stronger it would give the BH more of a challenge and make the missions much more interesting and involved, as there'd be a lot more to getting your mark besides launching a few droids. Actual skill and planning would have to be used to be able to take down your make. I'd also like to see the payout raised to be inline with the new, more powerful jedi.
I know it's not a new idea, but with the FRS currently being revamped (hopefully) now would be the perfect time to start the ball rolling on this change.
Message Edited by DustusNavar on 09-23-2005 10:56 AM