Jedi Archive

i see the krayt graveyard overflowing with krayts, the other night, my guild put togather a group of 8 people for krayt hunting for the noobs, in 1 hour we had 8 good pearls, i dont know how much m,ore they got after that for i had to log.

my point is , i never see anybody hunting, pre cu the problem with krayts eas finding them while trying to maintain buffs.

now all you have to do is show up, they are there, but its easier to come here and /whine i guess.

also, pre cu, just because you got a premium didnt mean it would tune great. i would say i kept maybe 1 out of 20 pearls, if that, to finally get the 4 that i use. so until you have tunes and gone through atleast 100 good pearls, i really dont wanna hear a groan out of you.

i have the tuned prems that i didnt use all over my house.

one thing is true, a jedi grind used to take 6 months to a year, during that grind time, your alt could gather saber resources and pearels so that when the full temp jedi came, you would be ready.

now with fulltemp taking 2 weeks, fulltemp jedi day comes, and there is no saber , and no pearls, oh well, now you can focus the next 6 months of game to get pearls. works out the same i guess.

krayt graveyard is full, nobody is hunting

so jedi are the only ones who can combine skills? what? thi is a very ignorant thread.

you said it yourself, cms out heal us, bh s outdamage us, cms paralyze thyroid rupture and poison and disease and all this other crap that is nowhere in star war s btw, and on top of that they wear saber resistant armor which is so lets put it out there clearly

1. cm s out heal us by 3-4 times with droids and foods, and can do this non stop with foods, so our sabers are useless

2. the lowest dps weapon in game, which is already being out healed by the cm, is also going to be armor resisted by mega super duper sliced assault armor, making it even more worthless

3. while all this is going on, we will be shot by 1000 dps rifles "guns in general" and we are suppose to heal this damage every 6 seconds?

4.while all this healing, and damage taking is going on, the bh /cm is not running on a force bar, and if all you have is enh 0400 to protect yourself as far as inate armor, 1. you are taking alot of damage, and 2 you are losing force like crazy, being a dabbler, with no masters, you had no force to start with.

first i must say, that your template wouldnt last 10 secs against a bh/cm on ahazi

5. so after all this factual information, especially with your weak dabbler no force template, your conclusuion is we are lucky and 1.5 times stronger, you are seriously mentally challenged, when was the last time a bh had to call it quits, because he ran out of force?

so bh s outheal us, forever

bh s outdamage us forever

bh s due to outhealing and wearing saber resistant armor, make our damage nothing

bh s can continue forever, they never run out of forxe

and your conclusion with a no force dabbler"worthless" template is you are 1.5 times stronger? you wouldnt last 10 secs to a bh on ahazi.

Message Edited by JeetBadwarrior on 09-14-2005 10:06 AM

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acmtalk wrote:

Healer 4/0/0/0: 1.5k heals every 6 seconds, CM 4/0/0/0 : 2k heals(with food,droid, etc..) every 3 secs(not sure about time)

Defender vs TKA, aura can be activated any time(no Zip bars), AI(30 secs snared But alive ) well TKA's also have attack abilities..

Sabers Vs melee: I would say Its almost even...

Powers Vs Ranged professions: Cant do as much damage as a rifleman, but area knockdown/intimidate, and Cloak are way better then any regular ranged profession would ever dream..

Enhancer: Great Crowd Control, Stasis work for 40secs vs 15 of CM's paralyze....

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AI incap = worthless in PvP, I don't care what any of you people say. Anyone with a mez will kill a MD using it. Aura with no zip bar, probably the only other thing besides block that makes MD different from normal professions.

Powers Vs Ranged professions, rofl.....if you can actually compare them lets see, area k/d, intimidate.....how is that better when you are mainly facing 1vs1 your entire game life? Cloak is the only thing that separates a Jedi from non-Jedi here.

Enhancer, great Crowd Control that can be matched by a Smuggler lol.

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acmtalk wrote:

Anyway.. The reason that Jedi is even more then 1.5x strong, is because We Are the only ones who can combine everything in a level 80 character.

EX: LS: 0/4/0/4, Healer 4/0/4/0, Enhancer 4/4/0/4, Powers 0/4/0/0, Defender 0/0/4/0... This template Would have , armorbreak, 2 damage dealer attacks, 1 ranged attack, Healing abilities, Debuff abilities, Great defense(aura+force armor), Root+snare, Force run, ability to buff for 20+ combat speed, Force Cloak + more skills that dont concern regular professions such as force meditate+channel+drain etc...

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Lets take your example above. LS x4x4, you do realize you are slow as hell and only can alternate two attacks? Yes Forcespeed2 helps but let me be the first to tell you it's still slow as HELL. Your damage output isextremely gimped if you ever get a debuff. That one ranged attack has a cool down timer that now makes it = worthless (specially with no k/d ability). Root+Snare at a 32m range, yep possible the only advantage this MELEE class has over other normal melee classes BUT Ranged professions get the exact same thing at a 65m range, why do people think having a root half the distance of ranged profession is an advantage to us is beyond me. Force run 2, I hate this special, FR1 is much better but lets just pretend a Jedi is going to continually turn FR2 on and off during the fight (costing a butt load of force), a normal player can just use parwan and still keep his distance (specially with roots/snares in game). Force cloak, yep absolutely the only thing in that template a normal template can't have (exception is Riflemans Cover that works differently but can be used in the same way never the less). You forgot to mention saying Jedi has pretend armor with forcearmor, every hit costs force. Then there is +500 defenses, wow whoppie do we get 250 more than a 4xxx BH and the same defenses as a TK. Considering I can get my Accuracy above 500 over an entire fight, Jedi with these templates die fast to my BH.

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acmtalk wrote:

Now If you think, Most of our abilities are less powerful then The regular professions Ones (debuffs,heals,force speed, etc..) But Jedi Are The Only Ones Who can Have it all!!, Get my point? They cant Nerf CM's, Rifleman, etc.. Because This would be too game breaking, In My point of view, One of the things that bring the New jedi down, are the lack of good sabers, + the lack of PVP experience, I think people spent all their time gridding, That forgot to save pearls or didn't learn PVP....

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You know, I find this statment over and over...Jedi can have it all. Would you rather have it all and be average or have some that is extraordinary?You can have a lot that will leave you killablecompetent BH templates. If you are going to dabble, at the very least you should be Master Defender so you stand a chance, the example you gave is such a laughable template I feel for anyone who has it......no masteries what so ever ROFL.

I agree a lot of people complain without even knowing the why it is they lost. You see a lot of this on the BH forum as well. However don't confuse the fact this profession has been nerfed. It is equal to what a normal template can do with the acception of a couple things that only Jedi can do (Cloak & Block are the biggest IMO).

Jedi is hard mode PvP, that is why so many are not able to hack it. It's easier to play a non-Jedi these days than it is to play a Jedi (it used to be the opposite where people could pick up and PvP right away after the grind and kill most non-Jedi). Once you get used to your template, yep you can be up there with the best pvpers (if you have a good saber)but make no mistake just because you can pick certain skills here or there doesn't mean Jedi can suddenly do everything. The template you mentioned as your example is so weak it's pathetic. Only thing that template has going for it is that you can run when you are losing by cloaking(and I gather if you fight good pvpers with that template you'll find yourself running more than fighting)

I understand what your are saying and i have seen it 1st hand. The main thing i think people are complaining about are the power of LS. I have talked to many MWS. LS May not have the largest amount of damage even for a melee weapon. LS do however a very small min to max damage range compared to all other weapons. The only preoblem I see with LS is pearls and Crystals.

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MasterShacklefurd wrote:

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GeckoFighter wrote:
fight samuraijack on our server and he will show you how "1.5x strong" we really are.

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I watched his tanking video, should I be impressed? I think all it did was show me Lowca doesn't know how to PvP... I mean no one hit him with a dizzy? (Oh wait I saw one dizzy, and he ran)

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you wont survive long on our server, guaranteed

I see people agreeing with the poster that the template he gave is 1.5X stronger. Are we looking at the SAME template? Did any of you notice there is ZERO Masteries? He is not Master Defender, not Master LS, not MP, not ME.....heck the only thing worse than that template is having the only mastery Healer lol.

Show me a successful Jedi with zero master boxes and I'll change my mind, but until then that is absolutely one of the worst templates I've seen. No master boxes, rofl what kind of people do you people PvP against? I mean your force bar and regen has to be the biggest joke but that doesn't compare to subpar defense/offense. Heck I put this up there with the people who say a non-Jedi can go TK x1xx, Swords 4x31, Rifleman xx4x, Pistoleer xxx3, CM 4xxx.....geez yeah you have a lot of skills now please tell me what the hell do you plan to kill, noobs?

With that template a non-Jedi would have Snare, Root, CoB = 500 defenses, Advanced Armor Break, Improved Powerhit, Critical Hit, and better healing than a Jedi could ever get. Does that mean it's suddenly a good template???? of course not, but hey it looks cool when you can say you have all these skills.

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acmtalk wrote:

+ the lack of PVP experience, I think people spent all their time gridding, That forgot to save pearls or didn't learn PVP....

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QFE!!!

1.5 times stronger then the mos eisley noob.

That's what i hate about the CU everything is so how do i put this into words. Im looking for pre-determined but that doesn't seem right. I think its more like impeded by a deep combat system!

Cant say 1.5 a BH has a rifle with a DPS of 1000 posted on the BH forums. Unless this is a joke pic it a joke on use with the way pearls drop now there is no way to get a dps that high. Also we cant slice or put power ups on our weapons.

Message Edited by Nastypope on 09-14-2005 12:21 AM

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GeckoFighter wrote:
fight samuraijack on our server and he will show you how "1.5x strong" we really are.

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Yeah SamuraiJack is "insane", saw the video where he tanked 5 jedi alone as cl 71, all the jedi were CL80, he incapped 2 of the jedi, before going down himself, he did one hell of a fight in that video