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Thread: Yes, We are 1.5x Stronger..
Im almost full template, can tank a CL80 pikets lair without problems. But when a BH/CM/Pistoler with a 75 sac scatter (+ sac pup), energy armor with Armor break slice come for me and I stand there with my 455 dps lightsabre with Bane Heart there aint much I can do.
I simply dont do enough dmg with my only good pearls sabre vs his armor. I ended up with no force. Managed to balance the mind pretty good and channel, but without premium pearls I could only get him down to 10% health before he managed to heal up again.
SOE keeps tuning/nerfing stuff but allways over do it in some way. Add Armor Break Slice AND remove Premums. If they could only do one off thoose things there would be more balance.
And atm Jedis aint 1.5x stronger than other classes there is still alot of things to be fixed. Biggest issues atm is jedi do to little dmg compared to other classes.
Kwantiko wrote:
There are a handfull of select combinations of top end equipment and specific templates that can be, numbers wise, on par or possibly more powerfull than a given Jedi template. But in general, Jedi are 1.5x as strong. If not more with a good saber.
Now, of couse, there's going to be plenty of non-Jedi that are very, very skilled and have extremely high end equipment. Same goes for Jedi; it's just that Jedi have less equipment to give them that extra edge, not to mention the difficulty of building a top end saber.
Exactaly, Only a few Non-jedi, can really compete witha Full template jedi with a good saber.. But those guys Know what they do, They not only have great equipiment, But they have Great PVP skills..
acmtalk wrote:
Healer 4/0/0/0: 1.5k heals every 6 seconds, CM 4/0/0/0 : 2k heals(with food,droid, etc..) every 3 secs(not sure about time)
Defender vs TKA, aura can be activated any time(no Zip bars), AI(30 secs snared But alive) well TKA's also have attack abilities..
Sabers Vs melee: I would say Its almost even...
Powers Vs Ranged professions: Cant do as much damage as a rifleman, but area knockdown/intimidate, and Cloak are way better then any regular ranged profession would ever dream..
Enhancer: Great Crowd Control, Stasis work for 40secs vs 15 of CM's paralyze....
Anyway.. The reason that Jedi is even more then 1.5x strong, is because We Are the only ones who can combine everything in a level 80 character.
EX: LS: 0/4/0/4, Healer 4/0/4/0, Enhancer 4/4/0/4, Powers 0/4/0/0, Defender 0/0/4/0... This template Would have , armorbreak, 2 damage dealer attacks, 1 ranged attack, Healing abilities, Debuff abilities, Great defense(aura+force armor), Root+snare, Force run, ability to buff for 20+ combat speed, Force Cloak + more skills that dont concern regular professions such as force meditate+channel+drain etc...
Now If you think, Most of our abilities are less powerful then The regular professions Ones (debuffs,heals,force speed, etc..) But Jedi Are The Only Ones Who can Have it all!!, Get my point? They cant Nerf CM's, Rifleman, etc.. Because This would be too game breaking, In My point of view, One of the things that bring the New jedi down, are the lack of good sabers, + the lack of PVP experience, I think people spent all their time gridding, That forgot to save pearls or didn't learn PVP....
I would agree with you here. Right now we are 1.5x stronger than most Elite templates. But there is also a reason for this.
This was just like Pre-CU gameplay. At first Jedi were awesome, we could kill almost any template. Then little by little people started to figure out the game more and more and that didnt last long.
The way the game is going, the CU is slowly turning back into the pre-cu game. Foods and buffs are now required to get the most out of your template.
A BH without food is a dead BH.
A BH who knows the right foods and combinations of food/spice/tapes can take out a Jedi easy.
The items currently in game will soon be figured out by everyone and Jedi will be placed back into the hole as we used to be and that 1.5x as strong will fade away.
I could also counter every point you made about how we get more specials a bit of everything and can still be level 80.
I think that is your strongest point though. An elite template who want x 4 x x of this and 2 x x x of that cannot reach a level 80 CL. That is true.
GeckoFighter wrote:
fight samuraijack on our server and he will show you how "1.5x strong" we really are.
I watched his tanking video, should I be impressed? I think all it did was show me Lowca doesn't know how to PvP... I mean no one hit him with a dizzy? (Oh wait I saw one dizzy, and he ran)
Nastypope wrote:
Cant say 1.5 a BH has a rifle with a DPS of 1000 posted on the BH forums. Unless this is a joke pic it a joke on use with the way pearls drop now there is no way to get a dps that high. Also we cant slice or put power ups on our weapons.Message Edited by Nastypope on 09-14-2005 12:21 AM
nah, not really. Someone got their scatter to 948DPS with a MBH/MPistoleer/+CAs/+Tactical Grip.
I'd hate to go against him. Jedi aren't supposed to be unbeatable.
acmtalk wrote:
Healer 4/0/0/0: 1.5k heals every 6 seconds, CM 4/0/0/0 : 2k heals(with food,droid, etc..) every 3 secs(not sure about time)
Defender vs TKA, aura can be activated any time(no Zip bars), AI(30 secs snared But alive
Sabers Vs melee: I would say Its almost even...
Powers Vs Ranged professions: Cant do as much damage as a rifleman, but area knockdown/intimidate, and Cloak are way better then any regular ranged profession would ever dream..
Enhancer: Great Crowd Control, Stasis work for 40secs vs 15 of CM's paralyze....
Anyway.. The reason that Jedi is even more then 1.5x strong, is because We Are the only ones who can combine everything in a level 80 character.
EX: LS: 0/4/0/4, Healer 4/0/4/0, Enhancer 4/4/0/4, Powers 0/4/0/0, Defender 0/0/4/0... This template Would have , armorbreak, 2 damage dealer attacks, 1 ranged attack, Healing abilities, Debuff abilities, Great defense(aura+force armor), Root+snare, Force run, ability to buff for 20+ combat speed, Force Cloak + more skills that dont concern regular professions such as force meditate+channel+drain etc...
Now If you think, Most of our abilities are less powerful then The regular professions Ones (debuffs,heals,force speed, etc..) But Jedi Are The Only Ones Who can Have it all!!, Get my point? They cant Nerf CM's, Rifleman, etc.. Because This would be too game breaking, In My point of view, One of the things that bring the New jedi down, are the lack of good sabers, + the lack of PVP experience, I think people spent all their time gridding, That forgot to save pearls or didn't learn PVP....
If you really think Jedi is 1.5x stronger, can you answer those questions;
Which lvl 80 jedi can make -%50 mind/action regen for 2 min?
Which lvl 80 jedi can make huge snare that long 2 min?
Which lvl 80 jedi can make -40 combat speed debuff for 2 min?
Which lvl 80 jedi can tick 600+ damage dot?
Which lvl 80 jedi can heal 2k with NO force cost and little mind cost?
Which lvl 80 jedi can use ArmorBreak sliced armors?
Which lvl 80 jedi can heal his DROID anytime he wants?
You know that all of those things can be done by a lvl 55 M CM!
If he grinds a bit more and get like 4xxx rifleman/M BH; Can do HUGE damage with more attacks (HeadShot,CriticalShot,TorsoShot etc..) as lvl 80!
acmtalk wrote:Healer 4/0/0/0: 1.5k heals every 6 seconds, CM 4/0/0/0 : 2k heals(with food,droid, etc..) every 3 secs(not sure about time)Defender vs TKA, aura can be activated any time(no Zip bars), AI(30 secs snared But aliveSabers Vs melee: I would say Its almost even...Powers Vs Ranged professions: Cant do as much damage as a rifleman, but area knockdown/intimidate, and Cloak are way better then any regular ranged profession would ever dream..Enhancer: Great Crowd Control, Stasis work for 40secs vs 15 of CM's paralyze....Anyway.. The reason that Jedi is even more then 1.5x strong, is because We Are the only ones who can combine everything in a level 80 character.EX: LS: 0/4/0/4, Healer 4/0/4/0, Enhancer 4/4/0/4, Powers 0/4/0/0, Defender 0/0/4/0... This template Would have , armorbreak, 2 damage dealer attacks, 1 ranged attack, Healing abilities, Debuff abilities, Great defense(aura+force armor), Root+snare, Force run, ability to buff for 20+ combat speed, Force Cloak + more skills that dont concern regular professions such as force meditate+channel+drain etc...Now If you think, Most of our abilities are less powerful then The regular professions Ones (debuffs,heals,force speed, etc..) But Jedi Are The Only Ones Who can Have it all!!, Get my point? They cant Nerf CM's, Rifleman, etc.. Because This would be too game breaking, In My point of view, One of the things that bring the New jedi down, are the lack of good sabers, + the lack of PVP experience, I think people spent all their time gridding, That forgot to save pearls or didn't learn PVP....
Lack of PvP experience? I've pvp'd since the game came out. Whether it was leading raids on theed from moenia when everyone was still novice brawler/marksman a month into the game, or whether it was before the CU as a melee stacker or melee/doc, I was pvping. I hunted jedi before I went jedi. I've fought 40+ BH fights and only lost once. The point is what you are saying is wrong...they can have a template too you know? Think about this MDoc/MSwords/tka 0100/ whatever else they want. Improved center of being? Best damage dealing melee? Best healing in the game? What you are saying isn't making any sense..sure people can't heal as Master tka but they can get Master doctor too...it's called a template.
Aren't states broken right now anyway ?
MasterShacklefurd wrote:
GeckoFighter wrote:
fight samuraijack on our server and he will show you how "1.5x strong" we really are.
I watched his tanking video, should I be impressed? I think all it did was show me Lowca doesn't know how to PvP... I mean no one hit him with a dizzy? (Oh wait I saw one dizzy, and he ran)
DeeckTator wrote:
GeckoFighter wrote:
fight samuraijack on our server and he will show you how "1.5x strong" we really are.
Yeah SamuraiJack is "insane", saw the video where he tanked 5 jedi alone as cl 71, all the jedi were CL80, he incapped 2 of the jedi, before going down himself, he did one hell of a fight in that video
Message Edited by huttu on 09-14-200508:23 AM
Message Edited by huttu on 09-14-2005 08:23 AM