Jedi Archive
Thread: Jedi SAC
CrazyIthorian
Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:09 am
#27
Yeah as of right now I'd say my biggest gripe is loot components, or lack thereof. I mean why is it ranged classes keep getting more and more love in comparsion to melee especially swordsman and TKA.
laz_souto
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:55 am
#28
I have a few things to say: (1) Swordsman SAC is lower than Jedi SAC, except for a FEW Msabers, my saber had a sav of 131 to start out with and my PowerHammer had a sac of 104, my best saber i can craft, with nothing added to speed or damage had a sac of... 103 and this is with Ls xxx4, not to mention my powerhammer having 600+ more max damage, and more speed by far. (2) Except for Beserk Swordsman does not need more love, it is atm the best Melee proffession by far, (3) Swordsman can easily grab a knockdown from Tk, (4) Any really good swordsman can beat any Full Temp, now if you grab Mtk you are crazy as that is a proffessiont hat really needs love, there is no reason to get it beyond x4xx, the innate is not as good as the AB sliced armor you can buy. (5) You can get better healing, defense and if your good enough damage than a Jedi, stop CRYING NERF NERF THEM!!!!!
TarqEmeril
Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:58 pm
#29
it doesnt matter if the jedi's saber has a higher sac than a swordsman weapon since the actual action drain is determined by a multiplier. yes jedi use less action than we do, but oh well. we can get ab sliced armor. we can heal better, with some docs.
swordsman doesnt need ANY love right now except for loot components and a nice new master sword, even if its not any better than a ph.
btw my hammer had 73 sac when pupped and i never really had a problem with my action, i was never kd'd with less than 25% action, ever. those of you who have that kind of sac or less and you all are having problems with your action- DONT SPAM. and yes alternating head hit/critical hit 3 times is considered spamming now.
as a swordsman/melee stacker with doc you should be able to beat any jedi on your server.
Kakabus
Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:30 pm
#30
TarqEmeril wrote:
it doesnt matter if the jedi's saber has a higher sac than a swordsman weapon since the actual action drain is determined by a multiplier. yes jedi use less action than we do, but oh well. we can get ab sliced armor. we can heal better, with some docs.
swordsman doesnt need ANY love right now except for loot components and a nice new master sword, even if its not any better than a ph.
btw my hammer had 73 sac when pupped and i never really had a problem with my action, i was never kd'd with less than 25% action, ever. those of you who have that kind of sac or less and you all are having problems with your action- DONT SPAM. and yes alternating head hit/critical hit 3 times is considered spamming now.
as a swordsman/melee stacker with doc you should be able to beat any jedi on your server.
Im sorry, but i guess u dont fight too many people. How can a TKM/DOC and Swords/Doc fight endlessly? The TKM with no armor and the Swordsman with fully AB sliced armor. It is because all the swordsman can do is melee hit and hit for every 2 secs while the TKM can hit 1-2 secs and action for days. I know this is a jedi sac threed, but its on the swordsman forums so when fighting a non jedi you will end up with a never ending battle.
I guess when there is too much balance nobody wins.../shrug
TarqEmeril
Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:54 pm
#31
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
it doesnt matter if the jedi's saber has a higher sac than a swordsman weapon since the actual action drain is determined by a multiplier. yes jedi use less action than we do, but oh well. we can get ab sliced armor. we can heal better, with some docs.
swordsman doesnt need ANY love right now except for loot components and a nice new master sword, even if its not any better than a ph.
btw my hammer had 73 sac when pupped and i never really had a problem with my action, i was never kd'd with less than 25% action, ever. those of you who have that kind of sac or less and you all are having problems with your action- DONT SPAM. and yes alternating head hit/critical hit 3 times is considered spamming now.
as a swordsman/melee stacker with doc you should be able to beat any jedi on your server.
Im sorry, but i guess u dont fight too many people. How can a TKM/DOC and Swords/Doc fight endlessly? The TKM with no armor and the Swordsman with fully AB sliced armor. It is because all the swordsman can do is melee hit and hit for every 2 secs while the TKM can hit 1-2 secs and action for days. I know this is a jedi sac threed, but its on the swordsman forums so when fighting a non jedi you will end up with a never ending battle.
I guess when there is too much balance nobody wins.../shrug
actually, 90% of the time im on im overt (all i do basically is pvp), dont make judgements on the forums. in the situation you named above the swordsman/doc should win no problem what so ever. sorry, if you cant see that, im not going to hand you the solution on a platter.
through experience you will learn, mr. you must not fight very much.
Kakabus
Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:00 pm
#32
TarqEmeril wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
it doesnt matter if the jedi's saber has a higher sac than a swordsman weapon since the actual action drain is determined by a multiplier. yes jedi use less action than we do, but oh well. we can get ab sliced armor. we can heal better, with some docs.
swordsman doesnt need ANY love right now except for loot components and a nice new master sword, even if its not any better than a ph.
btw my hammer had 73 sac when pupped and i never really had a problem with my action, i was never kd'd with less than 25% action, ever. those of you who have that kind of sac or less and you all are having problems with your action- DONT SPAM. and yes alternating head hit/critical hit 3 times is considered spamming now.
as a swordsman/melee stacker with doc you should be able to beat any jedi on your server.
Im sorry, but i guess u dont fight too many people. How can a TKM/DOC and Swords/Doc fight endlessly? The TKM with no armor and the Swordsman with fully AB sliced armor. It is because all the swordsman can do is melee hit and hit for every 2 secs while the TKM can hit 1-2 secs and action for days. I know this is a jedi sac threed, but its on the swordsman forums so when fighting a non jedi you will end up with a never ending battle.
I guess when there is too much balance nobody wins.../shrug
actually, 90% of the time im on im overt (all i do basically is pvp), dont make judgements on the forums. in the situation you named above the swordsman/doc should win no problem what so ever. sorry, if you cant see that, im not going to hand you the solution on a platter.
through experience you will learn, mr. you must not fight very much.
You must be on a noobie server or something...lol...But trust me..If you were on a server with as many jedi "cough" and pvpers "cough" you would know what im talking about. And my hammer is the best i've seen so far expcept for respec'd 1250+ dam ones. And i do know what im doing...probably more than yourself...lol
TarqEmeril
Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:46 pm
#33
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
it doesnt matter if the jedi's saber has a higher sac than a swordsman weapon since the actual action drain is determined by a multiplier. yes jedi use less action than we do, but oh well. we can get ab sliced armor. we can heal better, with some docs.
swordsman doesnt need ANY love right now except for loot components and a nice new master sword, even if its not any better than a ph.
btw my hammer had 73 sac when pupped and i never really had a problem with my action, i was never kd'd with less than 25% action, ever. those of you who have that kind of sac or less and you all are having problems with your action- DONT SPAM. and yes alternating head hit/critical hit 3 times is considered spamming now.
as a swordsman/melee stacker with doc you should be able to beat any jedi on your server.
Im sorry, but i guess u dont fight too many people. How can a TKM/DOC and Swords/Doc fight endlessly? The TKM with no armor and the Swordsman with fully AB sliced armor. It is because all the swordsman can do is melee hit and hit for every 2 secs while the TKM can hit 1-2 secs and action for days. I know this is a jedi sac threed, but its on the swordsman forums so when fighting a non jedi you will end up with a never ending battle.
I guess when there is too much balance nobody wins.../shrug
actually, 90% of the time im on im overt (all i do basically is pvp), dont make judgements on the forums. in the situation you named above the swordsman/doc should win no problem what so ever. sorry, if you cant see that, im not going to hand you the solution on a platter.
through experience you will learn, mr. you must not fight very much.
You must be on a noobie server or something...lol...But trust me..If you were on a server with as many jedi "cough" and pvpers "cough" you would know what im talking about. And my hammer is the best i've seen so far expcept for respec'd 1250+ dam ones. And i do know what im doing...probably more than yourself...lol
shhh its ok, go tie another tkm/doc. btw the "noobie" server arguement is lame. ever server has veteran players who know the game equally or at least fairly equally. if you really think its so much less experienced than ill throw out the equally lame arguement of "make a character on tarquinas" then. fight kotopex... or helson... or... list goes on. btw i have toons on bloodfin (hardly played) and kettemoore too, and ive played on briabefore with a friend's toon. the pvp on bria was pathetic. lots of action but everyone was so... they didnt know w tf they were doing basically. kettemoore is role playing mostly, but the pvp is still better than bria (though much less prevalent). anyways, like i said you can never compare servers. each have about.. what, 8k + people on them (including alts)? it all evens out.
Kakabus
Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:43 pm
#34
TarqEmeril wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
it doesnt matter if the jedi's saber has a higher sac than a swordsman weapon since the actual action drain is determined by a multiplier. yes jedi use less action than we do, but oh well. we can get ab sliced armor. we can heal better, with some docs.
swordsman doesnt need ANY love right now except for loot components and a nice new master sword, even if its not any better than a ph.
btw my hammer had 73 sac when pupped and i never really had a problem with my action, i was never kd'd with less than 25% action, ever. those of you who have that kind of sac or less and you all are having problems with your action- DONT SPAM. and yes alternating head hit/critical hit 3 times is considered spamming now.
as a swordsman/melee stacker with doc you should be able to beat any jedi on your server.
Im sorry, but i guess u dont fight too many people. How can a TKM/DOC and Swords/Doc fight endlessly? The TKM with no armor and the Swordsman with fully AB sliced armor. It is because all the swordsman can do is melee hit and hit for every 2 secs while the TKM can hit 1-2 secs and action for days. I know this is a jedi sac threed, but its on the swordsman forums so when fighting a non jedi you will end up with a never ending battle.
I guess when there is too much balance nobody wins.../shrug
actually, 90% of the time im on im overt (all i do basically is pvp), dont make judgements on the forums. in the situation you named above the swordsman/doc should win no problem what so ever. sorry, if you cant see that, im not going to hand you the solution on a platter.
through experience you will learn, mr. you must not fight very much.
You must be on a noobie server or something...lol...But trust me..If you were on a server with as many jedi "cough" and pvpers "cough" you would know what im talking about. And my hammer is the best i've seen so far expcept for respec'd 1250+ dam ones. And i do know what im doing...probably more than yourself...lol
shhh its ok, go tie another tkm/doc. btw the "noobie" server arguement is lame. ever server has veteran players who know the game equally or at least fairly equally. if you really think its so much less experienced than ill throw out the equally lame arguement of "make a character on tarquinas" then. fight kotopex... or helson... or... list goes on. btw i have toons on bloodfin (hardly played) and kettemoore too, and ive played on briabefore with a friend's toon. the pvp on bria was pathetic. lots of action but everyone was so... they didnt know w tf they were doing basically. kettemoore is role playing mostly, but the pvp is still better than bria (though much less prevalent). anyways, like i said you can never compare servers. each have about.. what, 8k + people on them (including alts)? it all evens out.
Um....why dont you make a toon on Chilastra and prove me wrong
TarqEmeril
Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:14 pm
#35
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
TarqEmeril wrote:
it doesnt matter if the jedi's saber has a higher sac than a swordsman weapon since the actual action drain is determined by a multiplier. yes jedi use less action than we do, but oh well. we can get ab sliced armor. we can heal better, with some docs.
swordsman doesnt need ANY love right now except for loot components and a nice new master sword, even if its not any better than a ph.
btw my hammer had 73 sac when pupped and i never really had a problem with my action, i was never kd'd with less than 25% action, ever. those of you who have that kind of sac or less and you all are having problems with your action- DONT SPAM. and yes alternating head hit/critical hit 3 times is considered spamming now.
as a swordsman/melee stacker with doc you should be able to beat any jedi on your server.
Im sorry, but i guess u dont fight too many people. How can a TKM/DOC and Swords/Doc fight endlessly? The TKM with no armor and the Swordsman with fully AB sliced armor. It is because all the swordsman can do is melee hit and hit for every 2 secs while the TKM can hit 1-2 secs and action for days. I know this is a jedi sac threed, but its on the swordsman forums so when fighting a non jedi you will end up with a never ending battle.
I guess when there is too much balance nobody wins.../shrug
actually, 90% of the time im on im overt (all i do basically is pvp), dont make judgements on the forums. in the situation you named above the swordsman/doc should win no problem what so ever. sorry, if you cant see that, im not going to hand you the solution on a platter.
through experience you will learn, mr. you must not fight very much.
You must be on a noobie server or something...lol...But trust me..If you were on a server with as many jedi "cough" and pvpers "cough" you would know what im talking about. And my hammer is the best i've seen so far expcept for respec'd 1250+ dam ones. And i do know what im doing...probably more than yourself...lol
shhh its ok, go tie another tkm/doc. btw the "noobie" server arguement is lame. ever server has veteran players who know the game equally or at least fairly equally. if you really think its so much less experienced than ill throw out the equally lame arguement of "make a character on tarquinas" then. fight kotopex... or helson... or... list goes on. btw i have toons on bloodfin (hardly played) and kettemoore too, and ive played on briabefore with a friend's toon. the pvp on bria was pathetic. lots of action but everyone was so... they didnt know w tf they were doing basically. kettemoore is role playing mostly, but the pvp is still better than bria (though much less prevalent). anyways, like i said you can never compare servers. each have about.. what, 8k + people on them (including alts)? it all evens out.
Um....why dont you make a toon on Chilastra and prove me wrong
your a lotdumber than i thought.
why i even bother...
Kaukiji
Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:33 pm
#36
actually, i have gone to several servers other than chilastra, and they are alot less advanced at pvp, sorry...had to comment
Arawaen
Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:03 am
#37
They are beatable by certain templates (don't try it with Ranger :smileywink
ZagaSabin wrote:
It was a good fix for them and heres why.
1. We can take more damage, AB sliced armor
2. We can heal better and faster
Jedi are VERY beatable right now, they dont need any more nerfs.
, and these templatesall seem to involve CM or Doc to some degree. In fact the healing linein CMor Doc seem to be a requirement for PvP. I don't think it calls for a nerf to CM or Doc, I think the problem lies in that every double combat profession can have healing that is only marginally less efficient than a Master CM or Master Doc. I don't have a solution, but I do think it is a problem.
Wholfe
Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:15 pm
#38
K1k1nth3m0uff wrote:
quitch wrote:
jedi is supposed to be better than normal players, deal with it.
swords is supposed to be high SAC high damage. thats just how it is
no... jedi is just another profession, not any better or worse than normal, all thats special is the swizzle stick and the 4 months to acheive
Me: Master swordsman / master teras kasi / doctor 4000: beaten full template jedi in duels
Myself: (same as above) My friend: MBH, master pistoleer, CM 4000: Beaten Jedi AND melee stacker (and plenty more, mind you) overt in theed.
jedi is in NO way better than any other combat profession... its just how you use the profession that counts
Jedi is supposed to be better.
Kakabus
Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:41 pm
#39
Wholfe wrote:
K1k1nth3m0uff wrote:
quitch wrote:
jedi is supposed to be better than normal players, deal with it.
swords is supposed to be high SAC high damage. thats just how it is
no... jedi is just another profession, not any better or worse than normal, all thats special is the swizzle stick and the 4 months to acheive
Me: Master swordsman / master teras kasi / doctor 4000: beaten full template jedi in duels
Myself: (same as above) My friend: MBH, master pistoleer, CM 4000: Beaten Jedi AND melee stacker (and plenty more, mind you) overt in theed.
jedi is in NO way better than any other combat profession... its just how you use the profession that counts
Jedi is supposed to be better.
Jedi are suppose to be Special...Not better.