Jedi Archive
Thread: Do you think the overpowered bh/cm's are ever going to get fixed?
AvataroftheSith
Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:39 am
#28
i think healing tends to serve as a crutch in all professionsto mask the true strengths and weaknesses in templates.
Krypt-Keeper
Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:43 am
#29
Its simple, jedi need a huge fix. MLS is too weak, healer needs big buff, powers need more dmg, enhancer needs beefed up. The only jedi I have a tough time with are the master defenders. Many jedi knights were just one master and were very powerful from reading the books and watching the movies, so why are double masters that are non defenders so wweak, doesnt make sense to me.
felipz
Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:44 am
#30
SonGouki wrote:
JEDI GENERAL INFO:
- A full-template Jedi Padawan is supposedly balanced to be 1.5 times as powerful as a regular profession combat template.
Found here
Also lemme add something I found funny. (By the way I don't think there's a problem with cm)
JEDI GENERAL INFO:
- The goal of the Combat Upgrade is for all profession templates to be balanced now, both in terms of offensive and defensive capabilities. This includes Jedi and, yes, even Bounty Hunter templates.
SonGouki wrote:
I asked for all this during the CU development, many times. However, the Devs' response was always that they expected Jedi to grab Defender for defenses. I argued against that line of thought but they were pretty adamant about it...
As for it being balanced, it is compared to regular professions. Any melee stacker with TKM will be very close (if not better) to the defenses that a Master Defender has, with the exception of Avoid Incap of course.
Nastypope
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:12 am
#31
1) they wont get nerfed the Devs love BH 2) they won fix Jedi they made it plain they hate us since the CU.
Digitalalchemyzt
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:19 am
#32
for the billionth time. stop whining and learn how to defeat them. that is part of the fun...unless youre one of those who think that fun is easy kill all day. weak..
of couse again, give me crystal drops from kyrats and were cool.
mave25
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:19 am
#33
Lightsabers do not need damage boosts at all, we already hit very fast and hard as it is, if you miss a split second in a jedi vs jedi fight, your dead. All they need to do is fix the pearl issue so that there is not such a huge disparity between veterans and noobs.
As for the bh/mcm template. Its not overpowered I dont think. I am both a long time jedi, and now recently a bh/mcm. On my jedi I am able to consistantly beat all BH that dare to oppose me, even the CM types. On my CM, I am able to consistantly beat most, not all but most jedi I go up against.
After having good experience now as a bh, and extensive experience as a jedi, I will offer the following observations.
Alot of jedi, and alot of BH just suck monkey balls. Its not the template, its not the mods or the stats, its YOU. Trust me, especially on my server, there is some vast room for pvp skill improvement from alot of the opponents im up against, both BH and jedi alike.
SOE cant go nerfing people because everyone else sucks at video games.
Digitalalchemyzt
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:29 am
#34
Dude, you have hit the nail on the head. read my posts. Too much console by themselves gaming. They think once you hit a class you are automatically godlike. and they whine. these will get every pve thing and youll NEVER get a good pvp rating because u cant use your brain.
KRAKEN666
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:34 am
#35
Why does everyone think if someone brings up an issue they think its nerf-a-thon. never did i say anything about nerfing the bh/cm, I just stated that they have way too many options to choose from and the list grows more each patch, while in general the jedi get more nerfs to them each patch. I would love to see post cu sabers get boosted, not pre cu sabers nerfed. that does no one any good, except bh. but, the idea of the 1.5 times stronger isnt true because of all the patch nerfs on jedi. thanks song for posting the clicky that clearly states its a fully templated padawans that is supposed to be the 1.5 times stronger, but thats impossible now. you cant make that statement from may still be true today after all the major cuts in jedi powers. And now with even more cuts in force usage, ham bars being eaten alive, and now force cloak being nerfed to nothingness soe needs to re think the idea of 1.5 times stronger because its not accurate.
digital, i hate to spoil your optomism but we are never getting pearls back the way it used to be. that has been made clear, and to add insult to injury, chances are your pre cu pearls are getting cut also. keep preaching not to bring us to the 1.5 levels we were promised. a dev would be glad to make that come true.
Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 09-26-2005 10:40 AM
Chris-DaMan
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:37 am
#36
MsNiL wrote:
I believe that it's a greater chance that BH/CM is getting nerfed than Jedi being fixed.
KRAKEN666 wrote:
This has been an issue forever, and now that bh can stack ranger skills on top of the bh/cm skills, its going to get a bit rougher out there.
i agree with you on the chances. and i think its exactly the wrong way to go.
Eleutherios
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:46 am
#37
Here's the problem.
A guy just unlocks. He thinks, "Well, I'm going to need to do lots of damage to survive." So he picks up Master Lightsaber. Then he thinks, "I'm going to need some defenses to survive." So he picks up Master Defender. Then he thinks, "I'm going to need healing to survive." So he picks up 4000 or 3000 healer. Then he tops it off with Channel.
Now he's got the uber temp he's read all about on the forums. But the problem is... not enough SP for 0400 Healer! Which means he's very vulnerable to Combat Medic DOTs. The guy can't understand why he's not the uberest player ever. He's aJedi, why shouldn't he be the best player on the server? He should automatically be granted that by the time he reaches Master. So, he needs to complain until his template has no weaknesses at all.
That's basically the problem here.
Amoteiu
Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:12 pm
#38
KRAKEN666 wrote:
This has been an issue forever, and now that bh can stack ranger skills on top of the bh/cm skills, its going to get a bit rougher out there. -
I'd be happy with a how-to on beating them or at least holding my own.
khalis
Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:40 pm
#39
OK the how to goes like this.....
1) Make sure that you take away their advantages
A) this means figure out how to overcome the range advantage from the get-go.
-- I use the enhancer root and FR1
-- Another way would be cloak and move in range, though less effective may be viable for Power type jedi
2) Ensure the best possible def available to you.
A) make sure your foods are a complete set and you know what benefits you gain from each
-- I use Vegeparsine, vayerbok, pikatta, crispic, and either blob, bofa treats, and spice tea for longevity or
Gruvaan Shaal and Mandolorian wine for maxed stats and bonus to health.
3) Maximize your damage output
A) if you are post CU jedi and have no good pearls think about picking up some powers, this could really help increase your DPS (lots of powers go
right through non jedi armor)
-- I am pre CU and have a decent saber so I use MLS with FS2 to maximise my damage output.... works great btw
B) If you have a decent saber make sure you are hitting with your best attacks and using armor break when needed (it is always needed)
-- Not only this but use states to limit their acc, and bleeds will limit (somewhat) their regen rates which is hell to a MCM
This is just a taste off the top of my head, but I don't have a problem with the majority of these folks. Only one has been able to fight me long enough to make me run and that was a VERY talented PvPer/BH, perhaps the best on my server (starsider). Only other thing I would say is practice, practice practice.
Get your friends together and duel in a safe place as much as possible. Watch out for the triple incap timer but have fun and get comfortable with PvP. Don't freak out as soon as you realize you are being hit or get paralyzed. Just think about your best attributes and use them to your advantage. Most players you encounter will run out of mind before you run out of force. The ones that last you can run from if you need to. Don't feel obligated to fight, it is your game, play it.
1) Make sure that you take away their advantages
A) this means figure out how to overcome the range advantage from the get-go.
-- I use the enhancer root and FR1
-- Another way would be cloak and move in range, though less effective may be viable for Power type jedi
2) Ensure the best possible def available to you.
A) make sure your foods are a complete set and you know what benefits you gain from each
-- I use Vegeparsine, vayerbok, pikatta, crispic, and either blob, bofa treats, and spice tea for longevity or
Gruvaan Shaal and Mandolorian wine for maxed stats and bonus to health.
3) Maximize your damage output
A) if you are post CU jedi and have no good pearls think about picking up some powers, this could really help increase your DPS (lots of powers go
right through non jedi armor)
-- I am pre CU and have a decent saber so I use MLS with FS2 to maximise my damage output.... works great btw
B) If you have a decent saber make sure you are hitting with your best attacks and using armor break when needed (it is always needed)
-- Not only this but use states to limit their acc, and bleeds will limit (somewhat) their regen rates which is hell to a MCM
This is just a taste off the top of my head, but I don't have a problem with the majority of these folks. Only one has been able to fight me long enough to make me run and that was a VERY talented PvPer/BH, perhaps the best on my server (starsider). Only other thing I would say is practice, practice practice.
Get your friends together and duel in a safe place as much as possible. Watch out for the triple incap timer but have fun and get comfortable with PvP. Don't freak out as soon as you realize you are being hit or get paralyzed. Just think about your best attributes and use them to your advantage. Most players you encounter will run out of mind before you run out of force. The ones that last you can run from if you need to. Don't feel obligated to fight, it is your game, play it.
Message Edited by khalis on 09-26-2005 01:42 PM
Message Edited by khalis on 09-26-2005 01:43 PM