Jedi Archive
Thread: No more rebel vs imperial jedi.... light vs dark faction
omadnay wrote:
I ABSOLUTELY agree.
And for those saying, "I didn't do all this work for it to be changed on me...", Where were you when the first Jedi Revamp came? They'll make changes like this. If it will make this game better, then we have to be willing to make some changes.
That's okay if you disagree and don't want these changes... but don't say that they can't because it's too late in your grind.
I am not saying they cannot change Jedi. I am just saying that for me there will no longer be any point in having a Jedi if we are to be restricted to a mini-game within the game.
I don't buy the arguments about Jedi ruining the GCW at all. The people in the GCW forum have always been whining about some other profession. Once it was TKM, then it was CM, now it is Jedi.I don't think that removing Jedi will revive the GCW at all. It is completely different changes that are needed to get people back into the GCW. Perhaps the CU will be the answer. But I think more than just that is needed.
Being restricted to fighting only other Jedi sounds extremely boring to me. And I think many of those that want something like that right now will find out how boring it is. Let's face it. Even though there are different Jedi templates, all Jedi are basically very similar. So this new mini-game would be as fun as restricting the GCW to only Swordsmen for example. A bunch of melee-only guys with basically the same weapon chasing each other around. How fun does that sound?
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Memnoch127 wrote:
Morath360 wrote:
It sounds like a lot of people here dont grind jedi, dont know how weak they actually are. I agree with the guy that said that he didnt grind his butt off to be part of some mini game. I want full access with my Jedi and dont want people who for whatever reason want to limit my involvement. It is too long and too hard to just limit it like that. Besides there are not that many fully templated Knights running around. Many confuse padi robes with Knights. Its a huge difference and huge time differencial.
Message Edited by Morath360 on 03-06-2005 11:10 PM
i do have a jedi im a pre patch 9 unlocker and your right even at high levels melee stackers are better however, Melee stacking is going away soon. TKA is gonna be toned down.
Define "soon"...
A quip, obviously, but it's been coming "soon" for a long time now.
The problem is, there aren't enough Jedi to support a LvD war. And if there were enough Jedi for them to have their own little faction war, even more people would be comparing this to KOTOR.
pervel wrote:
I don't buy the arguments about Jedi ruining the GCW at all. The people in the GCW forum have always been whining about some other profession. Once it was TKM, then it was CM, now it is Jedi.I don't think that removing Jedi will revive the GCW at all. It is completely different changes that are needed to get people back into the GCW. Perhaps the CU will be the answer. But I think more than just that is needed.
Notice when people whine (although annoying) in most cases there is a legitimate call for it, when you have a Extreme inbalance like how CM was (throwing poisons from 90 to 100m away and incapping entire squads of people in under a few seconds??) and a few other proffesions were a need for action has to be taken, otherwise you are alienating all other players and you are forced to play with 1 of 2 templetes either get the flavor of the month templete or you get whatever it is that defends againt that 1 templete.
This is a problem and it gets worse when the offensive templete has no counter defensive templete to combat it. This is the point of the CU and i dont think removeing the Jedi should be done until the CU happens, make it all at once balance all at once.
Being restricted to fighting only other Jedi sounds extremely boring to me. And I think many of those that want something like that right now will find out how boring it is. Let's face it. Even though there are different Jedi templates, all Jedi are basically very similar. So this new mini-game would be as fun as restricting the GCW to only Swordsmen for example. A bunch of melee-only guys with basically the same weapon chasing each other around. How fun does that sound?
It will actually be fun once they come up with a few counters for force run and give powers and Defender people someting more in the FRS. you will be judgeing your templete vs another templete not everyone has a cookie cutter jedi templete there will be diffrences there is tons of possibilies you can have within the jedi system (and id even go as far as to break up the LS tree into 3 seperate trees).
You need to ask yourself this question on why you dont like this change, is it maybe because you enjoy your current power and ability to normally win almost all battles 1 vs 1 unless confronted with another jedi or a group against you?
Slaughtering other people who choose not to be jedi and forceing them out of the game from bad experiences isnt fun either, will takeing jedi out of the GCW fix it?? by itself NO it wont but it will help.
This all needs to be done together with a Great CU and a content filled meaningful GCW patch.
Something to think about.
Memnoch127 wrote:
You need to ask yourself this question on why you dont like this change, is it maybe because you enjoy your current power and ability to normally win almost all battles 1 vs 1 unless confronted with another jedi or a group against you?
Slaughtering other people who choose not to be jedi and forceing them out of the game from bad experiences isnt fun either, will takeing jedi out of the GCW fix it?? by itself NO it wont but it will help.
But on the other hand, GCW and PvP is some kind of an endgame in SWG... I don't think it's fair to deny something like that for Jedi.
What we really need, is a third faction, which can aid or attack the two main factions, with restrictions of course, while have its own reasons and fights. It is the only way it can be done, because if they pull out Jedi completely from GCW, they get away their only possibiity to play this game fully. (Since nearly every Jedi is somewhat coward, and run instead of fight)
pervel wrote:
I also don't buy the "overpowered Jedi" argument. It is well-known that melee templates are deadly against Jedi. In fact, Jedi is underpowered against melee opponents. Something needs to be done about that. But Jedi is overpowered against ranged templates. Something also needs to be done about that. Rumors have it that the CU willsome ofthose issues.
Unfortunately a big part the non-Jedi GCW community is not able to grasp this. They see the overpowering of Jedi vs ranged templates and immediately conclude that Jedi is overpowered. This then gets mixed up with Jedi-hatred/envy and the tired, old continuity argument that Jedi should not be here at all. The result is a cry for removing Jedi from the game and if that is not possible then restrict them to a mini-game within the game where they basically have no effect on the rest of the game at all. That is completely pointless to me.
I would rather see Jedi removed from the game completely than see them get a mini-game of their own. I would hate to know that the developers are spending loads of development time to satisfy a few powergamers.
jus to make a change from bright white! i reckon to keep ppl happy aswell they shud beable to go overt to imps and rebels like normal profs do stupid or not??