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Appearantly, you can turn on FR before cloaking. ( and attacking might turn it off which may be really nice) and FR 2 + snare is doable getting into range for an alph attack
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FR has a constant animation while you move, so having FR on while cloaked obviously negates the stealth factor unless your opponent is completely distracted or AFK.

Attacking was always intended to break Force Cloak. Only bugs have ever allowed otherwise.

Alpha attck has been defined as first strike. Jedi have two natural opponents, BH and soon opposite faction FRS Jedi. BH always have the Alpha Strike vs their mark so I won't get to use it vs them.

As an Mpowers Jedi I am now spending 3mil Jedi xp and 20 of my SP on a skill that will let me have first strike on an opposite faction FRS Jedi who will likely have Force Shield/Force Feedback, and is almost certain to have 80 - 100 Force Defense. This totally inneffective Alpha Strike will come with a very high force cost and a snare penalty. This is what I get in exchange for having any real damage specials in my trees?

The intended use of Cloak as an Alpha Strike may fit into the developers idea of balance and make sense on paper, but currently Mpowers lacks the required skills to make any real use of an Alpha Strike while their opponents are loaded up with defenses that prohibit it's usefulness.



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WookieOgre wrote:

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MrDecipher wrote:

There is nothign wrong with CM. Yes your screwed if you use cloak to eascape while your on fire. How many times do the devs need to post saying cloka is not an escape/invinsibility tool.

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Problem is Cloak will not be a viable way to get a first/alpha strike either. It doesn't take a genius to see that the same snare on AI will be on Cloak which means you will never be in range of the attacker......unless you think you are going tickle them to death with Powers attacks from a ranged position (assuming you can even get into range)

If the only change that goes in is this nerf, I'm afraid the skill has become absolutely worthless. So while I agree it is not going to be an escape tool anylonger, it won't be a first strike tool either. What it will be is a go invisible and hope some overt comes close enough to you so you can hit them.

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Wook, I think cloak will still be a viable tool for a LS/Defender temp. They will still have plenty of offense to make the first strike payoff.

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JessieJames19 wrote:

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WookieOgre wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

Appearantly, you can turn on FR before cloaking. ( and attacking might turn it off which may be really nice) and FR 2 + snare is doable getting into range for an alph attack

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What do you mean apparantly, the devs have spoken and said anything that will allow you to escape will not work with Cloak. That means you have FR/BurstRun going there will more than likely be a message saying you can not cloak until you stop running.

Why is this so hard to understand? You will not be able to buff/heal/run at all while you are cloaked, if you read the description from the devs. Essentially that means you have to crawl to your victims inorder to hit them.....assuming you have force left after you crawl past everything.

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i know what was said.

Said that some buffs cant be done while cloaked

Said also that some buffs will be undone when uncloaking

what does what? a dev has not yet said.. so spare me

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You just believe what you want to believe, don't ya' Jesse? It doesn't matter when facts are presented to you, you just ignore them, bro.

we just gotta see how it turns out on test center. As of the moment, the whole cloak nerf changes dont pahse me much. and i hope the frs is around the corner with when cloak is ironed out

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JessieJames19 wrote:
we just gotta see how it turns out on test center. As of the moment, the whole cloak nerf changes dont pahse me much. and i hope the frs is around the corner with when cloak is ironed out

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Drazharr wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

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WookieOgre wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

Appearantly, you can turn on FR before cloaking. ( and attacking might turn it off which may be really nice) and FR 2 + snare is doable getting into range for an alph attack

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What do you mean apparantly, the devs have spoken and said anything that will allow you to escape will not work with Cloak. That means you have FR/BurstRun going there will more than likely be a message saying you can not cloak until you stop running.

Why is this so hard to understand? You will not be able to buff/heal/run at all while you are cloaked, if you read the description from the devs. Essentially that means you have to crawl to your victims inorder to hit them.....assuming you have force left after you crawl past everything.

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i know what was said.

Said that some buffs cant be done while cloaked

Said also that some buffs will be undone when uncloaking

what does what? a dev has not yet said.. so spare me

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You just believe what you want to believe, don't ya' Jesse? It doesn't matter when facts are presented to you, you just ignore them, bro.

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Those are not facts. its speculation. Nobody can find where the devs said it will be like that.Only test center for the win. Also though it says that doign soem actions cloaked WILL reveal you. There is no fact that sayingyou can not activate fr then cloak. Its its own buff till you turn it off. I understand where is speculation comes from though. Jus liek force speed. last 15 min and you can turn it on before cloaking. Hence the chance of lossing buffs when you uncloak

you cant medidate while cloaked anyways usles you use the cloak bug, this way they get rid of it regardless

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Drazharr wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:
we just gotta see how it turns out on test center. As of the moment, the whole cloak nerf changes dont pahse me much. and i hope the frs is around the corner with when cloak is ironed out

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That's a pretty fair statement, Jesse. I'm proud of ya'.

But I'll betcha Wook and I are right.

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thanks, lol typed out the other statement that may annoy ya a lil, but i am a debater.. ask msnil about me

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JessieJames19 wrote:

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Drazharr wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

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WookieOgre wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

Appearantly, you can turn on FR before cloaking. ( and attacking might turn it off which may be really nice) and FR 2 + snare is doable getting into range for an alph attack

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What do you mean apparantly, the devs have spoken and said anything that will allow you to escape will not work with Cloak. That means you have FR/BurstRun going there will more than likely be a message saying you can not cloak until you stop running.

Why is this so hard to understand? You will not be able to buff/heal/run at all while you are cloaked, if you read the description from the devs. Essentially that means you have to crawl to your victims inorder to hit them.....assuming you have force left after you crawl past everything.

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i know what was said.

Said that some buffs cant be done while cloaked

Said also that some buffs will be undone when uncloaking

what does what? a dev has not yet said.. so spare me

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You just believe what you want to believe, don't ya' Jesse? It doesn't matter when facts are presented to you, you just ignore them, bro.

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Those are not facts. its speculation. Nobody can find where the devs said it will be like that.Only test center for the win. Also though it says that doign soem actions cloaked WILL reveal you. There is no fact that sayingyou can not activate fr then cloak. Its its own buff till you turn it off. I understand where is speculation comes from though. Jus liek force speed. last 15 min and you can turn it on before cloaking. Hence the chance of lossing buffs when you uncloak

you cant medidate while cloaked anyways usles you use the cloak bug, this way they get rid of it regardless

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Actually, Jess, Wook and I are basing are speculation on the facts, while you are basing your speculation on wishful thinking.

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JessieJames19 wrote:

you cant medidate while cloaked anyways usles you use the cloak bug, this way they get rid of it regardless

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ahood wrote:

Yes, thats right. If the proposed Cloak nerf goes live, MBH/MCM can kill cloaked Jedi easy.

How?

DoTs.

Deuterium Fire DoTs kill/incap players. Poison/bleeds only reduce you to 1 health. So, BH runs up, chucks the ol' petrol bomb on the Jedi and the Jedi can no longer cloak. If the Jedi does cloak, then he is;

a) Snared - so wont go from the spot he cloaked that fast. (plus atm you can see Fire Dot graphics to follow them)

b)The Jedi cant heal. Yep. The Fire Dot will tick for 350 a time, and if the jedi pops a stim or self heals, he uncloaks (as healing will be a combat action to break cloak). So BH starts shooting again.

c) Cone/AoE still hit the jedi, and the jedi can still be incapped and uncloaked. Since they cant heal, while cloaked, then just targetting weenie critters nearby and coning the area will kill many jedi quick.

If the BH is lucky enough to land a poison and a fire dot, then cloak wont get the jedi very far at all.

All the cloakers are moaning about the snare, but that doesnt matter because it only applies after you are cloaked. The real worry we should panic about is the inability to self heal after cloaking, because without this, cloaking means you will often be dead shortly.

Exceptions are if you can find a body of water fast (while snared!) or have 50-100fill left on both drink/food. But for most people, cloaking after this change = dead.

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Wohoo cant wait

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Drazharr wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

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Drazharr wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

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WookieOgre wrote:

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JessieJames19 wrote:

Appearantly, you can turn on FR before cloaking. ( and attacking might turn it off which may be really nice) and FR 2 + snare is doable getting into range for an alph attack

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What do you mean apparantly, the devs have spoken and said anything that will allow you to escape will not work with Cloak. That means you have FR/BurstRun going there will more than likely be a message saying you can not cloak until you stop running.

Why is this so hard to understand? You will not be able to buff/heal/run at all while you are cloaked, if you read the description from the devs. Essentially that means you have to crawl to your victims inorder to hit them.....assuming you have force left after you crawl past everything.

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i know what was said.

Said that some buffs cant be done while cloaked

Said also that some buffs will be undone when uncloaking

what does what? a dev has not yet said.. so spare me

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You just believe what you want to believe, don't ya' Jesse? It doesn't matter when facts are presented to you, you just ignore them, bro.

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Those are not facts. its speculation. Nobody can find where the devs said it will be like that.Only test center for the win. Also though it says that doign soem actions cloaked WILL reveal you. There is no fact that sayingyou can not activate fr then cloak. Its its own buff till you turn it off. I understand where is speculation comes from though. Jus liek force speed. last 15 min and you can turn it on before cloaking. Hence the chance of lossing buffs when you uncloak

you cant medidate while cloaked anyways usles you use the cloak bug, this way they get rid of it regardless

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Actually, Jess, Wook and I are basing are speculation on the facts, while you are basing your speculation on wishful thinking.

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actually you are not using any facts here is the ruleset tht will apply to cloak/camoflauge

The Rifleman's Cover ability and a Jedi's Force Cloak now adhere to a common rule-set that falls in line with the new hiding/stealth system introduced with the Ranger revamp.

Here are some rules common to all types of buffs that remove you from sight (including Force Cloak):