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I am a MDEF and I used AI as an escape move. The force cost alone made up for it, but now I am planted with the strongest snare in the game. No escape now. Just a way to prolong life til inevitable death.

Point is cloak became the new sub for the AI escape, now I guess that is goin too.....

Message Edited by Fugitron on 09-18-2005 08:50 PM

Hmmmm, the snare addition to cloak won't be so bad, as long as it is mitigated somewhat by force run. If you can run at fr2 speed while cloaked using fr3 that would be fine by me.

Although they could also move cloak to the master box (I think someone suggested switching it with breach) which would also be a good solution to the problem.

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Mythrindir wrote:
Sorry for my biased BH point of view but cloak was meant to be used for recon and stealth, not as an "I may not win but im sure as hell not losing" button

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You mean like when the BH runs out of aggro range and won't re-engage? Only to say "Soory but I don't want my RIS to dacay"

Amen !!..Stop THE NERFING CLOAK !!! Jedi Unite !!

And if you don't think you need to. As soon as cloak is gone...STASIS IS NEXT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK (and who knows what will go the after that) !!!!! Why ?

BH can not stand the idea that we have powers which allows us AVOID them.(never mind beat them)..They want the power to grief people with no restrictions. To add to the frustration, Jedi are so divided, they will try to nerf anything that is not in their templates. Do we have to all be pigeonholed into the same 1 template in order for all of us to be able to work together ?! I guess the notion of avoiding combat seems a bit too Jedi-ish for some Jedi and BH alike.

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StarDryfter wrote:

I am not Powers. Never was, probably never will be.

I am a long time Defender and love my role as tank.

The Cloak nerf is a travesty. And I remember seeing a few people who are upset with the cloak nerf who applauded the AI nerf. I repeat, THE C♦LOAK NERF IS indeed a TRAVESTY.

That being said. If it comes to pass as most of us are reading it to come.....Is this enough to finally make each of us Jedi understand WE ARE A GROUP. We are NOT Defenders, Powers, MLS, Enhancers, Healers. WE ARE JEDI.

It is going to be completely appropriate for us to fight for our skills to be fixed/enhanced/not nerfed and so forth.....But we need to learn that divided we will ALL lose. The more we all yell for nerfing our fellow Jedi, the more the "others" win in their calls for our nerfs.

I am sure there will be BH's trolling our board. I am sure they will have something to say. I am sure it will be a differing opinion to mine, or ours. But that is ok.

We know the facts of what the promise of Jedi was supposed to be. We understand completely how tremedously SOE had fubared their promises to alot of classes, and we are one of those.

Together we HAVE to understand the first person who is Jedi, who yells NERF, is not a Jedi in the least. And as such, should not be fought or encouraged with the attention they get.

Lets focus on getting our proefession, JEDI, the best it can be.

I know....a pipedream.....But, I felt the need to voice my opinion when I counted 3 people in particular who screamed their support for the nerf of AI, and now are yelling about their nerf.....and they are RIGHT this time....stop the damn nerfs SOE...

Rayn

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Non-Power User - Non Cloaker Here - Don't even have a friend that uses Cloak to help me, as I'm a solo type of Girl...

And I completely disagree with ANY of the Cloak nerfs.

So...
/sign

Even moving it to Master is a nerf, but would be better than screwing all the power users becuase of what ever issue they have with dabbles picking it up. And don't for the love of God post that is because the cloakers have been soloing Corvette missions. Even my TKM/Doc can solo a vette mission, and my MD can also solo a Corvette mission without ever thinking of touching AI as well.

For goodness sake Power Users don't even get Saber Block, at least you get that with LS skills. Give them a freaking break already.

Keep removing Jedi abilities or ruining them and you are going to have the biggest exit of the game yet at some point when Jedi realize we are truly nothing special anymore and our year of work was for nothing. (Especially when a 2 day grind TKM/DOC is kicking our MD ass.)

Developers should be looking at new features to Give Jedi to Make them 'special' again. Right now a Jedi does not have one skill that can not be obtained from any regular profession that is ground in a couple of days. I can't even do animal scare which was special anymore - so even silly stupid skills that were special are gone.

There is something really wrong with this concept, as the Jedi were the heros of movies cause they could DO THINGS NO ONE ELSE COULD. Give us little abilities and cool tricks at least - we worked hard and paid a lot of money to this game. Even if these abilities don't give us an edge in PVP, but either look cool, or help in PVE.

How about giving Jedi Force in Space, Luke sure as hell had it, and so did Vader...

Message Edited by xur-soma on 09-19-2005 12:45 AM

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Ciscero wrote:

Sorry this isnt a nerf it is an obvious fix... as long as it has the same effects/benefits/hinderances as others stealth powers.

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since WHEN are jedi abilities supposed to be the EXACT SAME as their normal counterparts, make a better fricken point dude

/sign

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Ciscero wrote:

Sorry this isnt a nerf it is an obvious fix... as long as it has the same effects/benefits/hinderances as others stealth powers.

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Everything they have listed is a fix except for the snare. What did that fix. For an escape using FR and cloak will not be an issue, for recon it just means the team will have to wait a few more minutes to get into the target. The only fix I see by snaring is for those that were running the vette or DWB, and that should have been fixed by the interacting with switches and things causes decloaking. Snaring is an answer to those crying, first it was the AI snare, now this, next will be stasis will root you like lightning does or longer(just watch and see)
To the op, you are dead on but as long as there are those like the poster I quoted we unfortunately will remain divided. Opinions can differ but the means to an end should not always result in downgrading skills, it should however result in bettering other skills across all trees to compensate or balance. BTW balance is another term for BLAND DIET everything may look different but it all tastes like the same mush.