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Thread: Why has the Jedi profession come to this point!?

Soulcaster
Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:31 am
#27

So in other words, all of you little pre-pubescent kiddies out there are the ones who are making this game crap (with the help of the Devs of course) You lack the maturity the take an ass-kicking and learn from it, and want everything given to you. You can't learn how to beat anyone running bol missions out of MO, and dueling doesn't really cut it either. You not only have affected the Jedi profession, but your well on your way toruining the player economy as well, with your greed and need to be uber at any cost. I'd personally like to see Jedi made stronger, at the same time turned back into the respectable profession it used to be.





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Digitalalchemyzt
Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:12 am
#28


/agreed


and im a post cu jedi. yeah i was mad at dying. but it made me think harder on how to escape and how to kill them. scouring the forums and links to how to kill them. really irritated me tho. so i still got my stuff together and worked at it. i have a much deeper knowledge of how to engaged mbhs.


Listen guys, MANY of these people think its like playing ps2 or xbox OFF line. They dont realize that HUMANS (for the most part) are smarter than the AI. So when they die, they are just in total shock. Non online console fight games, to me, has programmed them to think "well, i got full temp so i should "pwnzer" (i really HATE that sort of talk...i wish theyd use english...and they say Ebonics was bad...) everyone." No no, dont work like that. the human mind has so many variables its crazy. so there is no cheat code, i win button, becasue people, alot of these newer ones cant do this one thing...


THINK!


They cant figure it out so they whine. They loose one fight so they whine. or say exploit. There are a rare few of us who ENJOY the difficulty of a mcm/mbh. I do. It is an accomplishment to defeat one who outdamages me, and even out heal. if u can do that, and the frs comes out, youll be a very dominating player.

People dont like challenges. They like gimme gimme gimme NOW.
Jimborinius
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:10 am
#29






JediScout wrote:





KureJiBaka wrote:
I know what you mean. I always pictured Jedi being 4-5 to a server. Now the only things that are that rare are normal players.




Everyone envisioned that as long as they were one of the 4 or 5......





hey thanks for bringing this thread down to the negative flaming we all love so much.



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Digitalalchemyzt
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:23 am
#30

jim, i think that was the point of this. dude asks WHY and we gave an answer to why. its not about construcive things. its a quesion in relation to why has the profession come to this point meaning BAD.

So..YOU have missed the point of this thread.
JediMasterCarlito
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:24 am
#31

I unlocked before publish 9, and was part of these "powerful Jedi". What I wonder is, if you all want permadeath back so badly, and the developers finally caved in and gave it to you back with all the "power" we used to have, how long would it take before all of you started crying to bring back the current system when you lose your Jedi? How long would it take before the insane whining begins, since we'd also need to bring back death in PvE counting against that death count as well? What about those BH gank squads, surely they would have to come back to since we're more powerful again right?


Yes, my vision shows a future of whining Jedi, like those of today wanting permadeath and power, to revert to our current system and power levels. Ah it is so clear now.






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Crash752
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:26 am
#32

The Jedi game failed because they removed all restrictions on Jedi. Attaining andmaintainingJedi became easier.More and more players were able to become Jedi.


The majority of players aren't able to accept penalties in exchange for power thats one of the reasons they were never able to be a Jedi earlier. These players have and will continue to cry because they never understood what made Jedi an alpha class.


Now the majority of players have unlocked a Jedi on atleast one of their accounts. I doubt SOE has the balls to put a skill loss system in for Jedi. When you look for the future of Jedi look down.



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Tanks
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:28 am
#33

Interesting, the correspondents have been having a discussion about this very thing. Here are my thoughts on this subject.:


IMHO, all the non-PvP Jedi have hurt the profession immensely. They have wanted faster and quicker access to Jedi (the village, and easy experience). They have wanted faster and quicker way of leveling their Jedi (no visibility in groups, and group exp. ease in spin groups). They have wanted the BH missions to be less effective (Move Jedi missions to MBH, no names, and no bounty amount tied to Jedi's levelon terminals). They wanted it to be less risky to be a Jedi (no Saber TEF, no skill loss etc.).


They have gotten all that. As a result the profession itself has gotten nerfed to hell and back, and it is no longer an elite-elite profession that is hard to get, hard to level, and risky to boot. Therefore, the power of the profession has been curtailed to fall in line with other elite professions.







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Digitalalchemyzt
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:38 am
#34


I think hes right. So when does sony take a stand and say no, this will be like this and we will stand by that?

JediMasterCarlito
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:54 am
#35






Digitalalchemyzt wrote:


I think hes right. So when does sony take a stand and say no, this will be like this and we will stand by that?







Sony already took their stand, and we've been dealt the profession they want to give us. You must understand, the majority of the player base (most of which either have Jedi or are working towards it) are NOT PvP players. As such, when you have a large group of people not necessarily into PvP migrating to a profession that was full-time PvP (at Knight), things are going to change. Not everyone has liked the changes for sure, as they want their Jedi to be uber and elite, but you must play with what's been dealt to you or move onto another game if you don't like it.


From a personal standpoint, do I like the lesser version of my Jedi? Nope, I wish I had my pre-CU and pre-9 power level back sure. However, I also understand the concept of "balance" (whatever there is) in a multi-player game and the need for it. Therefore I can live with what my Jedi has become if it is for the benefit of the game.






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Sarynn Daba Jedi Knight Eclipse

Star Wars Galaxies Developers: "Much work remains to be done before we can announce our total failure to make any progress."

OvMan32
Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:56 am
#36

every day i go to theed and it saddens me to see what i saw there every day....jedi jedi jedi...Before it was peaceful, docs shouting for buffs, noobs asking for teaching, a small band of norm players making their faction's stand in theed.....but no more


The game has lost its touch. The SW name is what drives it now, not gameplay or player satisfaction




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rebellious_imp
Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:56 am
#37







Tanks wrote:

Interesting, the correspondents have been having a discussion about this very thing. Here are my thoughts on this subject.:


IMHO, all the non-PvP Jedi have hurt the profession immensely. They have wanted faster and quicker access to Jedi (the village, and easy experience). They have wanted faster and quicker way of leveling their Jedi (no visibility in groups, and group exp. ease in spin groups). They have wanted the BH missions to be less effective (Move Jedi missions to MBH, no names, and no bounty amount tied to Jedi's levelon terminals). They wanted it to be less risky to be a Jedi (no Saber TEF, no skill loss etc.).


They have gotten all that. As a result the profession itself has gotten nerfed to hell and back, and it is no longer an elite-elite profession that is hard to get, hard to level, and risky to boot. Therefore, the power of the profession has been curtailed to fall in line with other elite professions.









IMHO it started with the removal of saber tef and the institution of the FRS. More jedi were becoming more and more visable each day spamming ' I own you' running around in gank squads and so on.


Ebay and sharing accounts has had it's part in the removal of jedi power.


In the natural system, jedi are supposed to die off once the owner quits the game.


What we have is a bottleneck now. We have all these old jedi characters that should have died when their original owner quit the game, but they kept living by being sold on ebay or by having someone else take the account. We then have all the new incoming jedi.


PVP jedi are more visable. PVE/roleplaying jedi are less visable.


Most of the jedi we see everyday are PVP jedi. No one knew i was a jedi when i was grinding. Never got on the terms, even for a while after i was done i was still keeping a very low profile.


I've started slipping away from the roleplaying type of jedi. I don't care about visability anymore, i don't care about keeping in character anymore. I've dueled in the middle of a starport, I might even drop MP MLS to go for a more pvp type of template. I might even wear my jedi tag, which i have never worn before.


who knows, maybe i'll start speaking in elite speak one day.


I've given up on roleplaying. It's never gonna happen in this game.


I was hellbent on keeping my jedi from the eyes of others for continuity, but what's the point whenmost ofthe pvp jedi don't give a rats ass. Why should I?

Message Edited by rebellious_imp on 09-26-2005 11:58 AM

Message Edited by rebellious_imp on 09-26-2005 12:34 PM



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MiniveNyla
Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:01 pm
#38






JediScout wrote:





KureJiBaka wrote:
I know what you mean. I always pictured Jedi being 4-5 to a server. Now the only things that are that rare are normal players.




Everyone envisioned that as long as they were one of the 4 or 5......





True.
KingoftheGrind
Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:17 pm
#39

ROFL Sounds like you could use some sleepage . Go to bed and come back and tell us all about it in morning .



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