Jedi Archive

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TarsisDenai wrote:

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mero909 wrote:

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Fist_Silvervein wrote:

I'm not asking for an 'I win' button, I just expect some weaknesses in this BH/CM class combo. Everything including jedi should have a weakness and I dont think this template does

Oh and we have to spend a bajillion credits on getting a feasable saber too...so thats no excuse :/

Message Edited by Fist_Silvervein on 09-16-2005 08:43 PM

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Weakness in the BH/CM Master Powers w/ some LS combo? It's called Master Powers w/ some LS any Jedi that is non-Power

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Yep..

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Fist_Silvervein wrote:

Why can a Bounty Hunter, who took days to grind their template stand toe to toe with a Jedi who put in so much effort. In terms of game mechanics this makes so sence, in terms of movie relevance it makes no sence (We all saw Jengo loose his head because he got too close to Mace Windu). What kind of justification is there for this? The risk nolonger = reward, and this is the foundation for any MMO.

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We also saw Jango Fett work over Obi-Wan on Kamino (or whatever that water planet was called.) Even after the guns from the SLAVE stopped firing, Jango went toe-to-toe with a Jedi Knight. Windu, on the other hand was a Master, arguably the best saber fighter in the history of the order. Oh, and let's not forget that poor Jedi Concilman (also aMaster)that got "pwned" on the balcony...in close quarters.

Jedi aren't gods. Jedi Masters might be close to gods, but they are few and far between. Mind you, I'm not taking the side of Bounty Hunters, nor am I one, but I can't stand this "thought" that sems to say, "because I'm a Jedi, nothing should be able to stand against me." I put in the time for the long grind (pre-CU) myself, yet I still don't think I should be unkillable.

I do however find the MCM/MBH thing a bit absurd, but that's from a game mechanics standpoint. I don't like the reliance on healing that the CU has brought. Pre-CU it was melee/defense stacking, now it's heal stacking. Again though, that's game mechanics on the whole, not specifically the MCM/MBH.

You do have a good point, as there is little reward to being a Jedi other than the fact that you are one.

My personal thought on the issue? Make BH an alpha class. Have a longer grind, which in turn will be justifaction for them being able tostand against Jedi. Personally, I don't mind how things are, but I think the BH should be the counter to the Jedi. A Jedi is a melee specialist, the BH would be the same but at range. And that in a way, does make sense, especially when youconsider that BH's( inthis screwed up timeline we have) would likely be training tospecifically to fight Jedi.I think thatif BH was bumped to "alpha" status we wouldsee higher quality BH's out there, rather than all the respec ones.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this is how I feel on the issue. I'd like to see more "alpha" classes period though (not to mention content), but I doubt that's coming anytime soon.

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Angelos1987 wrote:

Hmm

BH equipment :

Pistol or w/e 3 Mill

Adk = 16 Mill

Speed + acc tapes = 10 mill

Armor = 500k

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Total like 30 Million and now uber

+ grinding for a Week

Jedi Equipment

Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5 and now i got a saber with 220 base dps and 27 FC

Adk = 16 Mill

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Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !

+ Alot grinding !

Do i have to say more ?

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Jimchu wrote:

In case you forgot, Jango owned that Jedi Master who jumped up on the ledge where he was standing with the leaders of the separatists(the jedi was blue and looked kind of like a fish). The only reason he got beheaded by Mace is because the movie designers decided to give him a moment of retardedness and made him have a convienient 5 second pause for no apparent reason, in which mace waltzed up and beheaded him. Had it been the Jango that fought Obi-Wan, he would have moved and kept firing.

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Fist_Silvervein wrote:

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this when I say that I find it disturbing that any BH can go pretty much toe-to-toe with a jedi for fights up to 30mins

Now I know that this game is NOTHING like the movies, which is a shame. But jedi are an Alpha class, we ground extra, we spent extra time and we all worked hard and waited to get to where we are. Our 'reward' is to have a glowing whiffle bat, BH attackable 24 and exp loss on those deaths.

Why can a Bounty Hunter, who took days to grind their template stand toe to toe with a Jedi who put in so much effort. In terms of game mechanics this makes so sence, in terms of movie relevance it makes no sence (We all saw Jengo loose his head because he got too close to Mace Windu). What kind of justification is there for this? The risk nolonger = reward, and this is the foundation for any MMO.

When a BH is mixed with a Combat Medic, you get imbalance. No non-jedi should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a jedi for that long because it makes no feasable sence in the whole game mechanic. Why grind for no reward? Before the BH latched onto the BH/CM combo they were using hunting tactics, sneaking around waiting for the right moment to strike, which is how a BH should be. They still stood a chance, they still had a huge array of tactics at their disposal and it was worth the payout.

Now its a simple task for a BH, they have a little shopping list of all the things they need and then they can kill pretty much any jedi. Best defence, Best healing, Best debuffs, Amasing Damage (due to DoTs) and eventually great payouts

So what should be split throughout 4 differentclass-types all rolled into one. No weaknesses, no reliances. Having the best of everything in a game is no balance, especially when they are allowed to hunt down other players and make them loose something. The only reason no other class worries about this is because they dont have them hunting after them 24/7, if they did this would have been nerfed months ago because it is clearly unbalanced. Why the devs do not careI have no idea!

Apologies for the long rant. I just needed to vent a little

Kahlb Merkor

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Fixed!

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Fist_Silvervein wrote:

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this when I say that I find it disturbing that any BH can go pretty much toe-to-toe with a jedi for fights up to 30mins

Now I know that this game is NOTHING like the movies, which is a shame. But jedi are an Alpha class, we ground extra, we spent extra time and we all worked hard and waited to get to where we are. Our 'reward' is to have a glowing whiffle bat, BH attackable 24 and exp loss on those deaths.

Why can a Bounty Hunter, who took days to grind their template stand toe to toe with a Jedi who put in so much effort. In terms of game mechanics this makes so sence, in terms of movie relevance it makes no sence (We all saw Jengo loose his head because he got too close to Mace Windu). What kind of justification is there for this? The risk nolonger = reward, and this is the foundation for any MMO.

When a BH is mixed with a Combat Medic, you get imbalance. No non-jedi should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a jedi for that long because it makes no feasable sence in the whole game mechanic. Why grind for no reward? Before the BH latched onto the BH/CM combo they were using hunting tactics, sneaking around waiting for the right moment to strike, which is how a BH should be. They still stood a chance, they still had a huge array of tactics at their disposal and it was worth the payout.

Now its a simple task for a BH, they have a little shopping list of all the things they need and then they can kill pretty much any jedi. Best defence, Best healing, Best debuffs, Amasing Damage (due to DoTs) and eventually great payouts

So what should be split throughout 4 different class-types all rolled into one. No weaknesses, no reliances. Having the best of everything in a game is no balance, especially when they are allowed to hunt down other players and make them loose something. The only reason no other class worries about this is because they dont have them hunting after them 24/7, if they did this would have been nerfed months ago because it is clearly unbalanced. Why the devs cannot see this I have no idea

Apologies for the long rant. I just needed to vent a little

Kahlb Merkor

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Qwad wrote:

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Angelos1987 wrote:

Hmm

BH equipment :

Pistol or w/e 3 Mill

Adk = 16 Mill

Speed + acc tapes = 10 mill

Armor = 500k

---

Total like 30 Million and now uber

+ grinding for a Week

Jedi Equipment

Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5 and now i got a saber with 220 base dps and 27 FC

Adk = 16 Mill

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Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !

+ Alot grinding !

Do i have to say more ?

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What the hell happened to your saber? I paid maybe MAYBE 4 mil in total on mine and it's got about 519 max dmg 29FC. I think you're exaggerating.

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p897t98 wrote:

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Qwad wrote:

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Angelos1987 wrote:

Hmm

BH equipment :

Pistol or w/e 3 Mill

Adk = 16 Mill

Speed + acc tapes = 10 mill

Armor = 500k

---

Total like 30 Million and now uber

+ grinding for a Week

Jedi Equipment

Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5 and now i got a saber with 220 base dps and 27 FC

Adk = 16 Mill

---

Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !

+ Alot grinding !

Do i have to say more ?

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What the hell happened to your saber? I paid maybe MAYBE 4 mil in total on mine and it's got about 519 max dmg 29FC. I think you're exaggerating.

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RIS 15mil
ADKs 120mil
SEAs 50mil
Scatter 10mil
Jetpack 60 mil
ID to be pink because pink twileks are cool 100k
Hotpants for victory dance 5k

I deserve to win, because my equipment cost more than yours did.

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Qwad wrote:

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p897t98 wrote:

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Qwad wrote:

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Angelos1987 wrote:

Hmm

BH equipment :

Pistol or w/e 3 Mill

Adk = 16 Mill

Speed + acc tapes = 10 mill

Armor = 500k

---

Total like 30 Million and now uber

+ grinding for a Week

Jedi Equipment

Crystals 60 Mill + ! Thats what i tuned yet, like 48 pearls/crystals and stuff and my best is 72 - 5 and now i got a saber with 220 base dps and 27 FC

Adk = 16 Mill

---

Total like 76 Million and still crappy saber !

+ Alot grinding !

Do i have to say more ?

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What the hell happened to your saber? I paid maybe MAYBE 4 mil in total on mine and it's got about 519 max dmg 29FC. I think you're exaggerating.

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RIS 15mil
ADKs 120mil
SEAs 50mil
Scatter 10mil
Jetpack 60 mil
ID to be pink because pink twileks are cool 100k
Hotpants for victory dance 5k

I deserve to win, because my equipment cost more than yours did.

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You don't "deserve" anything.

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