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Thread: IF THE NEW FRS IS PVE I am goin to *edit* lose it.
GunFu wrote:
Im sry but the last thing I want to invovle myself in is PvPing with around 100 jedi at each starport. That ruins the game completely. Jedi should stay in hiding as best they can (grant it with forced grouping its hard) and do the trials on their own and earn their rank.
/agree
Nothing like getting killed due to the lag from battling an immense # of foes at a busy starport [this was pre-cu].
MsNiL wrote:
Nobody deserves more just becouse they have nothing against regrinding their template to the latest fotm.
Matt0ne wrote:
HarlequinMK19 wrote:
As I said above, I would ideally like a PvE quest-based FRS to be combined with some type of PvP one. I don't see why it can't be both. Maybe just make it so that a PvE Jedi can still advance in levels, but someone who is going beyond and fighting in PvP will be more powerful (or whatever they plan on "rewarding" us with).
/agree 105%!
Does that even make sense?
Battlefield 2 is there for you.
ChaJomi wrote:
It only makes sense to have the frs be pvp based. If you didn't it would be the same old mindless quests that have made this game extremly tedious. Unlike questing for jedi ranks pvp would allow a system that is never set in stone. And with the numbers of jedi now the old system would probably evern work so what if there were a few who exploited to master in a hurry, the real pvpers would fill up the ranks over time and vote or fight them out.
good...then our population control problem is will be solved then, won't it.
Matt0ne wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Hass1234567 wrote:
do the trials, drop urout, keep ur titleand friendly duel ppl in MO like pre cu then
This is not about me. It's about supporting 80-90% of the players instead of a small minority.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-22-2005 09:33 PM
80-90% of them will quit when they get bored of only pveing
Dlek_Krego wrote:
good...then our population control problem is will be solved then, won't it.
Matt0ne wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Hass1234567 wrote:
do the trials, drop urout, keep ur titleand friendly duel ppl in MO like pre cu then
This is not about me. It's about supporting 80-90% of the players instead of a small minority.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-22-2005 09:33 PM
80-90% of them will quit when they get bored of only pveing
True that
I Do NOT want Fightclub 2.0
There are hard things in the game we can prove ourselves agenst, the Kkowwort, the Blackscale Compound DWB (not quite that hard tho). If we had to do something similiar with maybe only one other jedi, (Master/Paddy?) time gate the missions, then I think that would be the best for all.
MsNiL wrote:
Battlefield 2 is there for you.
ChaJomi wrote:
It only makes sense to have the frs be pvp based. If you didn't it would be the same old mindless quests that have made this game extremly tedious. Unlike questing for jedi ranks pvp would allow a system that is never set in stone. And with the numbers of jedi now the old system would probably evern work so what if there were a few who exploited to master in a hurry, the real pvpers would fill up the ranks over time and vote or fight them out.
Battlefield 2 is the same it gets old after a while, SWG has a comunity everyone is on 1 server. Group pvp can actually be "fun" even post cu
Matt0ne wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Nobody deserves more just becouse they have nothing against regrinding their template to the latest fotm.
Matt0ne wrote:
HarlequinMK19 wrote:
As I said above, I would ideally like a PvE quest-based FRS to be combined with some type of PvP one. I don't see why it can't be both. Maybe just make it so that a PvE Jedi can still advance in levels, but someone who is going beyond and fighting in PvP will be more powerful (or whatever they plan on "rewarding" us with).
/agree 105%!
Does that even make sense?
I don't look at it like this though. This is my line of thinking...
Okay, the FRS become some type of PvE quest-based system (mind you, I support this idea). So, the Jedi all happily embark upon the quests and start completing them. The Jedi who can hack it at the quests become more powerful, and thosewho cannot retain their lower ranks. I do not think power should be given freely, regardless of how the new FRS is implemented.
Now,those Jedi who have moved along in the PvE FRS will become a fairly potent combat force in both PvE and PvP (if they choose to). However, I do not see why there cannot be a "supplementary" FRS whereby those who engage in PvP have the ability to move further along the ranks (or gain additional abilities or something). Do I want these PvP Jedi to become uber-wtfpwnage-gods? No, absolutely not. However, if a FAIR, UNEXPLOITABLE, but competitive PvP system could be put in place, I see no reason as to why PvP Jedi should not be given a slight edge or be made able to advance a bit futher.
You have to look at things from both sides, and that is what I am trying to do.
For the sake of PvE Jedi, the FRS should not be entirely PvP based. PvE Jedi (the majority) would feel jipped about not being able to advance their charcters at all.
For the sake of PvP Jedi, the FRS should not be entirely PvE based. PvP Jedi would feel jipped if a PvE Jedi who has suddenly become overpowered suddenly turns into a PvPer because they now feel 1337.
I've made my point already. I agree with MSNil on a lot of what she says (about the PvP/PvE, anyway ). However, I don't think that either playstyle should be entirely alienated, although I do believe that PvE, being the majority, should likely be a large part of the new FRS. Plus, I like roleplay and storylines, so I WANT quests. Yet, having been a big time PvPer at one point, I can sympathize there as well..and see no reason why there should not be some PvP element to the FRS.
I mean...think about it...while perhaps the most important parts of being a Jedi as those of the spirit, one cannot deny that there is a LOT of combat involved. And why is that? Combat tempers the mind, body, and soul...so it's the perfect vehicle for advancement in a lot of ways.
Just my two cents...personally, I think both playstyles can/should benefit from the FRS.
Message Edited by HarlequinMK19 on 10-22-2005 05:11 PM
A PvP-based FRS cannot truly succeed until the disciplines and equipment are balanced. How does a player who chooses aHealer or Powers templatego up against an MLS/MDef and hope to rank? How does a post-CU Jedi with a 600dmg 27FC saber hope to rank fighting someone with a 750dmg 10FC pre-CU saber?
That being said, I'm fairly certain nobody at SOE will consider these show-stoppers, and Fightclub 2.0 will be born. Only MLS/MDefs with pre-CU sabers will fill the ranks, and the veteran players who blame new Jedi for everything from nerfs to pocket lint will get their veteran reward.
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
Srider_Killarney wrote:
If the new FRS is not pvp based then I will throw in the towel, that would just be the last straw.
but would make the majority of the game's players who do not pvp very happy.
pvp = minority.
TBH, I think PvE is the majority because everyone is still grinding to get their full templated jedi.
I am not nor ever have been a PvPer. It's just not my cup of tea. Jedi forced me into learning PvP and I actually enjoyed it (not lately but that's another somewhat related story) not enough to hunt it out except on a few occassions, which were a blast.
That being said, I think FRS should have a strong PvP element, very strong. Maybe some gated quests and what not (i hate quests, i've yet to do one that I enjoyed, again, 'nother story). Make it PvE and quest 5 months down the road you'll have 5000 Jedi Masters around with nothin to do.
To be honest when I first heard they were re-vamping the FRS it never occured to me that it would be non-pvp.