Jedi Archive

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DianaPrince wrote:
Just had an incident today, was Overt (ya I know).

A factionally Opposed Jedi Caught up to me, Stasised me, waited for their friend, a BH that had my mark catch up.

The BH shot me once, then two other overt Jedis showed up, and I lost the battle. The first Jedi is even the one that DeathBlowed me.

However, the BH, got his full reward of 230+k, and I lost my 450k.

Now I understand that this is PVP and all... But once the BH shot me, None of my friends could heal or help me, but his friends could continue to kill me, while he watched and waited for his reward.

When Knights come back to game and we are permanently overt, all BHs will have to do is what this one did, Get a Gank squad of overt or other Jedi Knights, and not only get the FRS and PVP ranking, but the BH with his one shot will make you lose XP in the process. (Great for Knights wanting the PVP FRS as well, as the BHs will be able to track the Jedis for them to kill.)

Is this the 1 on 1 BH/Jedi that SOE envisions?

I don't think so, and if it is, Knights won't survive unless they run in packs of other Knights all the Time, especially now that Jedi are not even 1.5x a normal profession, and good TKM/Doc can kill most MDefs.

Does anyone else find this wrong? Why wouldn't the BH TEF also work to prevent others from attacking me, just like it prevents others from healing me?

Wouldn't this make more sense? When the BH hits you, you should only be attackable by the BH, not his group of Overt friends.

So if you get your Knight back, and are overt, be on the look out for the Massive BH/Jedi Gank Squads again.

Someone, please let the devs know that this will destroy the GCW. Even now, I don't want to PVP Overt anymore, as The Guild chats go wild to see if anyone in their guild has your mission, and they keep ya alive long enough for the BH to arrive.

It would be different if this was pre-CU, and I could hold my own against 5 people, and use AI or FR to escape a trap.

And no, I'm not whining, as I was XP capped, so it didn't mean much to me at this point, but seriously got me thinking.

Knights will become unplayable and BH/Jedi Ganks will rule once again.

Message Edited by DianaPrince on 09-05-2005 05:48 PM

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This is old news. This is how we used to grief on corbantis --- Happened all the time in the past. We would grab a jedi's mission on a BH, and 5 Knights and go FRS huntin'. BH gets the DB. pwnd /tells all around.

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DianaPrince wrote:
Just had an incident today, was Overt (ya I know).

A factionally Opposed Jedi Caught up to me, Stasised me, waited for their friend, a BH that had my mark catch up.

The BH shot me once, then two other overt Jedis showed up, and I lost the battle. The first Jedi is even the one that DeathBlowed me.

However, the BH, got his full reward of 230+k, and I lost my 450k.

Now I understand that this is PVP and all... But once the BH shot me, None of my friends could heal or help me, but his friends could continue to kill me, while he watched and waited for his reward.

When Knights come back to game and we are permanently overt, all BHs will have to do is what this one did, Get a Gank squad of overt or other Jedi Knights, and not only get the FRS and PVP ranking, but the BH with his one shot will make you lose XP in the process. (Great for Knights wanting the PVP FRS as well, as the BHs will be able to track the Jedis for them to kill.)

Is this the 1 on 1 BH/Jedi that SOE envisions?

I don't think so, and if it is, Knights won't survive unless they run in packs of other Knights all the Time, especially now that Jedi are not even 1.5x a normal profession, and good TKM/Doc can kill most MDefs.

Does anyone else find this wrong? Why wouldn't the BH TEF also work to prevent others from attacking me, just like it prevents others from healing me?

Wouldn't this make more sense? When the BH hits you, you should only be attackable by the BH, not his group of Overt friends.

So if you get your Knight back, and are overt, be on the look out for the Massive BH/Jedi Gank Squads again.

Someone, please let the devs know that this will destroy the GCW. Even now, I don't want to PVP Overt anymore, as The Guild chats go wild to see if anyone in their guild has your mission, and they keep ya alive long enough for the BH to arrive.

It would be different if this was pre-CU, and I could hold my own against 5 people, and use AI or FR to escape a trap.

And no, I'm not whining, as I was XP capped, so it didn't mean much to me at this point, but seriously got me thinking.

Knights will become unplayable and BH/Jedi Ganks will rule once again.

Message Edited by DianaPrince on 09-05-2005 05:48 PM

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You must be fairly new to jedi. In the old days (oh how I miss them) this happened all the time. Grab a mission of someone you knew was a ranked member and bring some overt friends along. If your special forces, your vulnerable to bith BH's and opposing faction players. Learn to accept it. Its not an exploit or cheap. Playing as a special force jedi is supposed to be risky, thats what makes it so FUN. Some of the best pvp I've ever had started out as BH missions.

This was a danger since the first knight entered the FRS a year ago, I used to have bounty hunters with overt Jedi or the likes come after me when I was in the FRS. Not that I complain about it, I am a Jedi for a reason.

The FRS will seperate the men from the boys, newer Jedi that cannot handle this kind of PvP will not last very long in the FRS.

Message Edited by chewboywa on 09-05-2005 08:38 PM

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DianaPrince wrote:
Just had an incident today, was Overt (ya I know).

A factionally Opposed Jedi Caught up to me, Stasised me, waited for their friend, a BH that had my mark catch up.

The BH shot me once, then two other overt Jedis showed up, and I lost the battle. The first Jedi is even the one that DeathBlowed me.

However, the BH, got his full reward of 230+k, and I lost my 450k.

Now I understand that this is PVP and all... But once the BH shot me, None of my friends could heal or help me, but his friends could continue to kill me, while he watched and waited for his reward.

When Knights come back to game and we are permanently overt, all BHs will have to do is what this one did, Get a Gank squad of overt or other Jedi Knights, and not only get the FRS and PVP ranking, but the BH with his one shot will make you lose XP in the process. (Great for Knights wanting the PVP FRS as well, as the BHs will be able to track the Jedis for them to kill.)

Is this the 1 on 1 BH/Jedi that SOE envisions?

I don't think so, and if it is, Knights won't survive unless they run in packs of other Knights all the Time, especially now that Jedi are not even 1.5x a normal profession, and good TKM/Doc can kill most MDefs.

Does anyone else find this wrong? Why wouldn't the BH TEF also work to prevent others from attacking me, just like it prevents others from healing me?

Wouldn't this make more sense? When the BH hits you, you should only be attackable by the BH, not his group of Overt friends.

So if you get your Knight back, and are overt, be on the look out for the Massive BH/Jedi Gank Squads again.

Someone, please let the devs know that this will destroy the GCW. Even now, I don't want to PVP Overt anymore, as The Guild chats go wild to see if anyone in their guild has your mission, and they keep ya alive long enough for the BH to arrive.

It would be different if this was pre-CU, and I could hold my own against 5 people, and use AI or FR to escape a trap.

And no, I'm not whining, as I was XP capped, so it didn't mean much to me at this point, but seriously got me thinking.

Knights will become unplayable and BH/Jedi Ganks will rule once again.

Message Edited by DianaPrince on 09-05-2005 05:48 PM

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well, so there is nothing new here...

Sure we have lost power But I hope its back when the FRS comes we were at the mercy of this before though just part of what you dealt with.

I know exactly what you mean. I was pvping one day with a couple of friends. There were about 7 of us and about 10 imperials. 2 of which were cloakers. We kill all at least twice except for the cloakers. Next thing i know im low on force and a bh is shooting me. I didn't worry about it for a while and was doing pretty well against him until i started realizing my buffs kept leaving me. I then realized the problem. The two cloaker jedi kept debuffing me and snaring me and cloaking back. I wont say their name because it would only cheapen them more to everyone else in this community. Well my friends couldnt help or heal me because by the time they actually all got there i had been db'd. The most pitiful part is, that is the only time i've ever "lost" to a bh. It's really not fair.

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OB295 wrote:
I stay overt all the time in preparation and I have ZERO problems. I'm constantly giving myself visibility and such too, and I have NEVER been ganked before. Yeah, it will become an issue for some, but lately, I couldn't put up a flyer big enough to make anyone kill me. I mean for God's sake I'm a completely Post CU Jedi.

I really don't see any new problems arising that were not there before.

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if you don't see a problem, you are a fool. and you will die a fool's death.

this situation has been around even before all you post-CU jedi were...jedi, lol. Either you strong enough to kill them all, stasis and run, or just hide in a houseand never travel alone. learn to adapt and overcome, you'll be the greater jedi for it.

xp loss is a poor idea with even worse implementation.

remove it and a varaity of problems go away

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thepulse wrote:
its all one big circle isnt it.. man the whole thing is a total falure...

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i'm on to ya kevhe

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DianaPrince wrote:
Just had an incident today, was Overt (ya I know).

A factionally Opposed Jedi Caught up to me, Stasised me, waited for their friend, a BH that had my mark catch up.

The BH shot me once, then two other overt Jedis showed up, and I lost the battle. The first Jedi is even the one that DeathBlowed me.

However, the BH, got his full reward of 230+k, and I lost my 450k.

Now I understand that this is PVP and all... But once the BH shot me, None of my friends could heal or help me, but his friends could continue to kill me, while he watched and waited for his reward.

When Knights come back to game and we are permanently overt, all BHs will have to do is what this one did, Get a Gank squad of overt or other Jedi Knights, and not only get the FRS and PVP ranking, but the BH with his one shot will make you lose XP in the process. (Great for Knights wanting the PVP FRS as well, as the BHs will be able to track the Jedis for them to kill.)

Is this the 1 on 1 BH/Jedi that SOE envisions?

I don't think so, and if it is, Knights won't survive unless they run in packs of other Knights all the Time, especially now that Jedi are not even 1.5x a normal profession, and good TKM/Doc can kill most MDefs.

Does anyone else find this wrong? Why wouldn't the BH TEF also work to prevent others from attacking me, just like it prevents others from healing me?

Wouldn't this make more sense? When the BH hits you, you should only be attackable by the BH, not his group of Overt friends.

So if you get your Knight back, and are overt, be on the look out for the Massive BH/Jedi Gank Squads again.

Someone, please let the devs know that this will destroy the GCW. Even now, I don't want to PVP Overt anymore, as The Guild chats go wild to see if anyone in their guild has your mission, and they keep ya alive long enough for the BH to arrive.

It would be different if this was pre-CU, and I could hold my own against 5 people, and use AI or FR to escape a trap.

And no, I'm not whining, as I was XP capped, so it didn't mean much to me at this point, but seriously got me thinking.

Knights will become unplayable and BH/Jedi Ganks will rule once again.

Message Edited by DianaPrince on 09-05-2005 05:48 PM

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Stop crying. That's exactly the way it should be. The Jedi population is getting anobseneamount of slack in PvP; no xp loss upon cloning, BH's can't take your mission out of spite. If you had been traveling with a group while overt the way you're SUPPOSED to, to avoid ganking, your friends could've handled the overt jedi and you could've taken the BH on yourself. As for Knights becoming unplayable. GOOD. There are too many Jedi atm anyway. I hope alot more Jedi have your mentality because then I will be able to play mine without having to feel like I'm playing KOTOR.

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Skwall wrote:

Yup you're correct, I was speaking in terms of post-CU because my only BH death was post-CU when I was occupied by a BH (while I was overt) and then ganked by porting rebels at the same time. I understand what you're saying and it is a problem.

Atix and I were discussing this about a week ago, I was mainly complaining that if FRS forces you to be overt, you will be forced to have Cloak in order to have any sense of mobility in this game. He was saying that FRS kept jedi in "check" for the most part. You wouldn't leave a house unless you had some knights with you.

We ended up agreeing that we don't know if FRS will re-introduce perma-overt again for one thing, and we don't know if FRS wil be a 1 vs. 1 scenario as rumored. If you're perma overt, you're going to want to have cloak, and if it's 1 vs. 1 you're going to want to have 4000 Healer, MLS, Defenses...etc...

Its just pure speculation atm, we're hoping that SOE can actually figure out that Perma-overt isn't the answer.

Some measures have already been taken into place, one being, the new BH terminal changes. Before, Knights used BHs to fight-club FRS and/or gank other jedi. With the removal of the names, it will make it a bit harder to actually take out the desired jedi. As it is on the terms, you don't know whether the jedi you're hunting is a knight or a paddy. Also, there were targets that would be griefed, such as high-ranking Knights in order to gain more FRS.

So there have been improvements, the rest is just purely speculation and to wait to see what it is that they'll do w/ FRS.

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Ok, so we were more on the same page after all. Kewl...

The BH issue is a little weak, so I hope they consider it, all the BH has to do is group with the gank squad to get the bounty.

It isn't like fighting a BH and having a couple Krayts Spawn and DB you - then the BH don't get the reward - which seems more how it should be for PVP Overts as well. So they need to maybe reconsider giving a BH reward for just being in the group and getting a single shot on the Jedi.

And like I said, it was the thing that started me thinking past just the BH issue of Ganking like they are already doing.

I truly laughed about the death and talked with the BH and the Jedi's in the battle, it wasn't something that even made me mad, but started me thinking about the future.

And you are right, being a cloaker may be the only way for anyone to be successful or survive if they make Knight Perma Overt again. (I even did the math on my template to factor this in, in case it happens that way.)

But at this point in game, it was more humorous, but when FRS comes back if things aren't seriously different, it will be a big problem.

Take care, and see ya in game,
Di'ana