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Thread: [Discussion] Removal of XP loss upon BH death?
GinazResser wrote:
Pointless discussion. XP is so easy to gain back that losing it shouldn't be that big a deal. Whatever you lose to a BH can be gained back in pretty much a day or 2. Alot of the hardships faced by jedi have been removed, with basically the only one, apart from the pearl issue, being BH's. Many jedi, like myself, actually find it fun and exciting to be chased by a BH. Many others don't care one way or the other.
Its been stated from the beginning that beiing a jedi was a risk filled profession. The reward is you get a second character as well as being using all the skills jedi have. Honestly, anyone who thinks losing xp to a BH is a gamebreaker needs to cancel right now and play something else. Its the most unique feature of this game, setting it apart from all the others out there.
Fugitron wrote:
GinazResser wrote:
Pointless discussion. XP is so easy to gain back that losing it shouldn't be that big a deal. Whatever you lose to a BH can be gained back in pretty much a day or 2. Alot of the hardships faced by jedi have been removed, with basically the only one, apart from the pearl issue, being BH's. Many jedi, like myself, actually find it fun and exciting to be chased by a BH. Many others don't care one way or the other.
Its been stated from the beginning that beiing a jedi was a risk filled profession. The reward is you get a second character as well as being using all the skills jedi have. Honestly, anyone who thinks losing xp to a BH is a gamebreaker needs to cancel right now and play something else. Its the most unique feature of this game, setting it apart from all the others out there.
If you think its pointless then don't post here, you do no one any good by flaming.
Secondly, yes Jedi is a risk filled profession its the only profession that forces you to PvP and get killed. Getting killed is enough of "risk" in my opinion. The game has been around long enough for the early "casual gamers" tofinally almost get done with their jedi. People need to realize that this is a GAME, not a way of life. If you spend 4 hours a day gaming everyday AND have a job you basically sacrifice all of your personal RL time. I don't think anyone wants to spend a friday night grinding xp right after work am I right?
BTW, it was never stated that Bounty Hunting was part of a jedi hardship in the manual. Also, I wouldn't mind being hunted for xp lossif it took a group of six to take me down like the old days, with as powerful as jedi are currently (which depending on template can easily get taken out by a single BH) xp is a waste and just aggrevates more people. IMO, you would have alot less angry jedi if this were removed... and that leads to less nerf calling and flaming.
Please tell me your "risks" now...
You have one- BH loss upon death (While grinding to full template) -- Let me know if there is more... I missed it if so.. Im from the last 4 old systems... so please tell me.
(note: Death happens to all toons and profs in game so just the term "death" is actully part of the game as a whole).
Message Edited by iskareot on 09-07-2005 09:59 AM
iskareot wrote:
lovisa wrote:
JEDI:
- Do you beleive the BH system currently is effectively stopping the growth of jedi (as intended) ?
no it is not but that hs not any to with the BH
- If XP loss was removed would you feel as much "tension" when losing to a BH ?
yes i would i hate to die against a BH or any one by that matter
- If this occured do you beleive the grind would now be "too easy", "just right", or still "too hard" ?
atm it is to easy to get xp so if the xp loss be removed it will be even easier wich is wrong
but eitherway how hard it is to get jedi is not all about xp and xp loss it should be diffrent quest wich is hard to complate
- Does XP loss now (or even when grinding) make you "show off" less ?
no i dont show of at all i try to stay hidden if i can only show my saber or jedi skills if i hunt or get attacked
BOUNTY HUNTER:
- What is the main motivation for hunting player jedi (please be honest) ?
keep the imperial jedi population down
- Do you beleive its fair that jedi are the only profession in the game that loses something upon (BH) death ?
yes it is becourse it is yoru own choice and jedi is a risky prof and you get a alt char if it is not suited for you
- If they took away jedi XP loss would you hunt as many jedi as you do now ?
yes i would it disturb there grind or what ever they do
- If XP loss remains do you beleive BHs should be punished for losses or consecutive losses ?
mayby BH should be punished but how i have no idea
So many things that are just not right with this:
FOR ONE, nobody can control the unlocking process, so while people think or say "I am controling the Jedi population".. You are a WRONG... you have 0 control over the unlocking method, you cannot attack a guy in the village, you cannot stop his XP gain, you cannot TOUCH HIM UNTIL HE HAS A FREAKING PINK FORCE BAR!
SO with all that is said, the only people that actully control the Jedi populas is THE DEVS, NOT BH's!!!!
Now then, sure they can curb your growth as a Jedi but the term "Controling the Population" is stupid and false.
A few more things:
THE JEDI GRIND ISAS EASY AS WALKING INTO A GURK GROUP AND IN LESS THEN 4 WEEKS YOUR DONE...at avg grind session time.
No buffs needed, No xp loss on Death, No decay actully with as many ADKs out there, no risk with crafting sabers, no risk of 20 BHs at once and odds are now greater of no griefing, group GRINDING WITH NO RISK??? you can have freaking 5 docs and nothing is different in your visibility, NOW there is actully planets you cant be tracked on.. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT??? You can go somewhere and NOT be tracked -- yes I know how much safer can you get..BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!!! You don't lose skill boxes, you don't lose your entire toon, you don't lose time (in travel of 10 min starports and buffs), You don't even have to get BF healed.
The only thing that you have lost... and I know becaus I am a Old Jedi, is the respect. For the most part we are mere shadows and jokes... we all know it, dont want to say it... maybe but we are. There is level 80 quenkers in the game that can damn near take out a Jedi now... I mean this is what we are now.. I understand , I know why, I can even grasp the reasons , however I can also say Im dissapointed at how this has all gone down... it has become a joke and almost sad to see in some ways.
One thing this comes down to is this: Risk vs Reward.... There is neither now so with that said, make Jedi a starting prof and call it a day at this point is my thoughts. We are nothing more then a Elite prof with some magic... thats about it anymore.
Message Edited by iskareot on 09-07-2005 09:51 AM
if jedi should be punished then bh should too. if they fail to kill their mark then their employer should take it out on them
however, newbie jedi don't worry much about bh because the majority are very careful and are not hunted at all until full template. loss of xp really is moot at that point.
Fugitron wrote:
GinazResser wrote:
Pointless discussion. XP is so easy to gain back that losing it shouldn't be that big a deal. Whatever you lose to a BH can be gained back in pretty much a day or 2. Alot of the hardships faced by jedi have been removed, with basically the only one, apart from the pearl issue, being BH's. Many jedi, like myself, actually find it fun and exciting to be chased by a BH. Many others don't care one way or the other.
Its been stated from the beginning that beiing a jedi was a risk filled profession. The reward is you get a second character as well as being using all the skills jedi have. Honestly, anyone who thinks losing xp to a BH is a gamebreaker needs to cancel right now and play something else. Its the most unique feature of this game, setting it apart from all the others out there.
If you think its pointless then don't post here, you do no one any good by flaming.Secondly, yes Jedi is a risk filled profession its the only profession that forces you to PvP and get killed. Getting killed is enough of "risk" in my opinion. The game has been around long enough for the early "casual gamers" to finally almost get done with their jedi. People need to realize that this is a GAME, not a way of life. If you spend 4 hours a day gaming everyday AND have a job you basically sacrifice all of your personal RL time. I don't think anyone wants to spend a friday night grinding xp right after work am I right?BTW, it was never stated that Bounty Hunting was part of a jedi hardship in the manual. Also, I wouldn't mind being hunted for xp loss if it took a group of six to take me down like the old days, with as powerful as jedi are currently (which depending on template can easily get taken out by a single BH) xp is a waste and just aggrevates more people. IMO, you would have alot less angry jedi if this were removed... and that leads to less nerf calling and flaming.
If anything, if xp loss was taken out jedi would be nerfed even further. And like I said, getting your xp back from a BH death is almost trivial now. The only risk involved for being a jedi now is BH's. Why is that so hard for people to deal with?
)Message Edited by Dakrek on 09-07-2005 08:05 AM
silversaber wrote:
I love the hiposcrasy of PvP players.I see PvPrs argue all the time that argueing for the return of TEFs that PvP players avoid that Risk vs Reward in the GCW.Yet these same PvP players that play BH's, risk NOTHING except a quick trip to the clone center on loss and want to KEEP it that way.The whole risk in the BH vs Jedi PvP situation is all on the Jedi. ALL of it.So much for Risk vs Reward. BH's get all the reward if they win, no penalty if they loose. Jedi get all the penalty when they loose, nothing if they win.Risk vs Reward. Hahaha yea right.
Wait for the frs to come back. I'll bet MBH's will still give frs points just like in the fight club days, only jedi will have it earn it then.
iskareot wrote:
Fugitron wrote:
GinazResser wrote:
Pointless discussion. XP is so easy to gain back that losing it shouldn't be that big a deal. Whatever you lose to a BH can be gained back in pretty much a day or 2. Alot of the hardships faced by jedi have been removed, with basically the only one, apart from the pearl issue, being BH's. Many jedi, like myself, actually find it fun and exciting to be chased by a BH. Many others don't care one way or the other.
Its been stated from the beginning that beiing a jedi was a risk filled profession. The reward is you get a second character as well as being using all the skills jedi have. Honestly, anyone who thinks losing xp to a BH is a gamebreaker needs to cancel right now and play something else. Its the most unique feature of this game, setting it apart from all the others out there.
If you think its pointless then don't post here, you do no one any good by flaming.
Secondly, yes Jedi is a risk filled profession its the only profession that forces you to PvP and get killed. Getting killed is enough of "risk" in my opinion. The game has been around long enough for the early "casual gamers" tofinally almost get done with their jedi. People need to realize that this is a GAME, not a way of life. If you spend 4 hours a day gaming everyday AND have a job you basically sacrifice all of your personal RL time. I don't think anyone wants to spend a friday night grinding xp right after work am I right?
BTW, it was never stated that Bounty Hunting was part of a jedi hardship in the manual. Also, I wouldn't mind being hunted for xp lossif it took a group of six to take me down like the old days, with as powerful as jedi are currently (which depending on template can easily get taken out by a single BH) xp is a waste and just aggrevates more people. IMO, you would have alot less angry jedi if this were removed... and that leads to less nerf calling and flaming.
Please tell me your "risks" now...
You have one- BH loss upon death (While grinding to full template) -- Let me know if there is more... I missed it if so.. Im from the last 4 old systems... so please tell me.
(note: Death happens to all toons and profs in game so just the term "death" is actully part of the game as a whole).
I am not a new jedi, I was the first class from the village. So don't do the "I am mightier then thou" thing - please stay ON TOPIC. The game haschanged since jedi first appeared andas powerful as they are NOW, not then, is what I am refering to. The risk is the possibility to be hunted ANYWHERE at ANYTIME. Don't give me that can't find them on Kashyyyk thing either. I know alot of BHs that camp the starport just tab targetting. Also I know alot of jedi whom NEVER use Kashyyyk.
Yes death comes to everyone, but everyone else has the CHOICE and OPTION to engage in PvP. Jedi do not. Many jedi accept this, but should they be punished for not enjoying fighting other players? No.
Now please get back on topic.
GinazResser wrote:
silversaber wrote:
I love the hiposcrasy of PvP players.
I see PvPrs argue all the time that argueing for the return of TEFs that PvP players avoid that Risk vs Reward in the GCW.
Yet these same PvP players that play BH's, risk NOTHING except a quick trip to the clone center on loss and want to KEEP it that way.
The whole risk in the BH vs Jedi PvP situation is all on the Jedi. ALL of it.
So much for Risk vs Reward. BH's get all the reward if they win, no penalty if they loose. Jedi get all the penalty when they loose, nothing if they win.
Risk vs Reward. Hahaha yea right.
Wait for the frs to come back. I'll bet MBH's will still give frs points just like in the fight club days, only jedi will have it earn it then.
ONLY if they make it that the BH has to have their mission in order to gain FRS XP from them.
Fugitron wrote:
iskareot wrote:
Fugitron wrote:
GinazResser wrote:
Pointless discussion. XP is so easy to gain back that losing it shouldn't be that big a deal. Whatever you lose to a BH can be gained back in pretty much a day or 2. Alot of the hardships faced by jedi have been removed, with basically the only one, apart from the pearl issue, being BH's. Many jedi, like myself, actually find it fun and exciting to be chased by a BH. Many others don't care one way or the other.
Its been stated from the beginning that beiing a jedi was a risk filled profession. The reward is you get a second character as well as being using all the skills jedi have. Honestly, anyone who thinks losing xp to a BH is a gamebreaker needs to cancel right now and play something else. Its the most unique feature of this game, setting it apart from all the others out there.
If you think its pointless then don't post here, you do no one any good by flaming.
Secondly, yes Jedi is a risk filled profession its the only profession that forces you to PvP and get killed. Getting killed is enough of "risk" in my opinion. The game has been around long enough for the early "casual gamers" tofinally almost get done with their jedi. People need to realize that this is a GAME, not a way of life. If you spend 4 hours a day gaming everyday AND have a job you basically sacrifice all of your personal RL time. I don't think anyone wants to spend a friday night grinding xp right after work am I right?
BTW, it was never stated that Bounty Hunting was part of a jedi hardship in the manual. Also, I wouldn't mind being hunted for xp lossif it took a group of six to take me down like the old days, with as powerful as jedi are currently (which depending on template can easily get taken out by a single BH) xp is a waste and just aggrevates more people. IMO, you would have alot less angry jedi if this were removed... and that leads to less nerf calling and flaming.
Please tell me your "risks" now...
You have one- BH loss upon death (While grinding to full template) -- Let me know if there is more... I missed it if so.. Im from the last 4 old systems... so please tell me.
(note: Death happens to all toons and profs in game so just the term "death" is actully part of the game as a whole).
I am not a new jedi, I was the first class from the village. So don't do the "I am mightier then thou" thing - please stay ON TOPIC. The game haschanged since jedi first appeared andas powerful as they are NOW, not then, is what I am refering to. The risk is the possibility to be hunted ANYWHERE at ANYTIME. Don't give me that can't find them on Kashyyyk thing either. I know alot of BHs that camp the starport just tab targetting. Also I know alot of jedi whom NEVER use Kashyyyk.
Yes death comes to everyone, but everyone else has the CHOICE and OPTION to engage in PvP. Jedi do not. Many jedi accept this, but should they be punished for not enjoying fighting other players? No.
Now please get back on topic.