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Thread: [Discussion] Removal of XP loss upon BH death?
Jacella wrote:
silversaber wrote:
Like I said, you hate players for playing a profession this game allows them to play.
You dont PvP for the challenge of it, you hunt Jedi to take your hatred and frustrations on them.
You are the classic griefer.
Its because of players like you that PvP participation in this game is so low, and that TEFs were removed from this game.
You are the reason PvP is solimited and is becomeing more limited as time goes on.
I hope you feel proud.
My hatred? Nope. I have a jedi and I love it. I also love it when a BH fights me. I love the challenge and the risk. I love the sneaky tactics BH's have used against me.
Griefer? Not hardly. I play by the rules and don't cheat...unlike many jedi that I know. I have a job to do, and you have one too. My job is to kill you and stop you from completeling your template, your job is to continue on.
You are the reason PVP and Jedi inparticular have been turned to Snugglebunnies Online. If you stopped whinning and started winning, you would see the realistic side of this debate.
I am very proud that I have a good jedi, I survived real xp loss, stuck with a really long grind, learned to fight with my template instead of hiding like a coward. I am also proud if my BH caused some jedi to quit the grind, then I would have been effective...but sadly, the ammount of xp they lose is just not enough.
Spit on someone else...I have earned my place, and miss the real risks (not the ones that the pre-9's faced though )
Message Edited by silversaber on 09-07-2005 01:15 PM
BladeOConner wrote:
i Beleive xp loss should be there but instead of going negative loose till 0 then maybe have to loose skills no negative at all you choose your loss of skill
TBH I'd rather have negative xp than loose all my skills. Say Jedi X was a fullly templated Jedi. X gets loads of vis by engaging in the higher end quests and looking for the higher end loot where there are NPCs (and mostly by fighting NPCs). BHs come after X and he dies. Scenario 1 (xp loss) After tonnes of dying he goes to a max of -10mill xp. Well at least he has a full template to either grind out of the hole/just ignore it because he doesnt need the xp anyway (providing he doesn't want to switch templates.) Scenario 2 however (skill loss). Ater dying over and over (just as he did in the first scenario) he end up with CL 55, Nov Lightsaber and all of his beloved specials are gone (for example). He is then forced to regrind his template, rather than just ignore the negative xp and skip of into the sunset.
I think they should keep the xp loss upon bh db (and no im not full temp yet even tho ive been jedi in almost a year now) and I dont think BHs should lose anything if they lose against thier mark, maybe if BHs had a rank system sothey got some kind of rank points when they killed a jedi and then lost same sort of points when they lost.
But I think it is good as it is
BladeOConner wrote:
i Beleive xp loss should be there but instead of going negative loose till 0 then maybe have to loose skills no negative at all you choose your loss of skill
Been there did this...
Risk vs Reward...
So far my reward was taken away due to the 1000000 Jedi... so Nope.. next.
Erynder wrote:
I think Jedi should be a starting profession since it's unofficially is.
Fugitron wrote:
There has been alot of comments latelyabout completely removing XP loss from the BH system. This thread is to discuss the "possibility" and PROs and CONs if this did occur. Pleasetry to keep flaming down and to stay on-topic. BHs are welcome to give constructive input.
Some following questions to consider when discussing:
JEDI:
- Do you beleive the BH system currently is effectively stopping the growth of jedi (as intended) ?
BH system was meant to make the progression more challenging not stop the growth. While it may slow the progress some, there is no system other then a cap that will stop the growth of Jedi other then making the profession not worth the time investment.
- If XP loss was removed would you feel as much "tension" when losing to a BH ?
Personally don't care if I lose now. I don't like it but I show no ill will to the BH he's just playing the game how he wants to as am I.
- If this occured do you beleive the grind would now be "too easy", "just right", or still "too hard" ?
Yup too easy. Might as well make Jedi a Elite profession then.
- Does XP loss now (or even when grinding) make you "show off" less ?
Nope. Removal of XP Loss on cloning is what has alot more Jedi showing off.
BOUNTY HUNTER:
- What is the main motivation for hunting player jedi (please be honest) ?
I love the hunt. Win or lose makes no difference to me. BH is the only profession that can hunt Jedi.
- Do you beleive its fair that jedi are the only profession in the game that loses something upon (BH) death ?
Yes,Without the loss well then we shouldn't be any better then any other profession
- If they took away jedi XP loss would you hunt as many jedi as you do now ?
Probably more so since they probably will let me kill them if i give them some of the credits. I would make a fortune.
- If XP loss remains do you beleive BHs should be punished for losses or consecutive losses ?
NO.
Remember PLEASE try to stay on task and try not to flame eachother - someone will disagree with you - agree to disagree. Maybe if we have enough good input we might be stickied (at least for a bit)
Its been stated from the beginning that beiing a jedi was a risk filled profession. The reward is you get a second character as well as being using all the skills jedi have. Honestly, anyone who thinks losing xp to a BH is a gamebreaker needs to cancel right now and play something else. Its the most unique feature of this game, setting it apart from all the others out there.
lovisa wrote:
JEDI:
- Do you beleive the BH system currently is effectively stopping the growth of jedi (as intended) ?
no it is not but that hs not any to with the BH
- If XP loss was removed would you feel as much "tension" when losing to a BH ?
yes i would i hate to die against a BH or any one by that matter
- If this occured do you beleive the grind would now be "too easy", "just right", or still "too hard" ?
atm it is to easy to get xp so if the xp loss be removed it will be even easier wich is wrong
but eitherway how hard it is to get jedi is not all about xp and xp loss it should be diffrent quest wich is hard to complate
- Does XP loss now (or even when grinding) make you "show off" less ?
no i dont show of at all i try to stay hidden if i can only show my saber or jedi skills if i hunt or get attacked
BOUNTY HUNTER:
- What is the main motivation for hunting player jedi (please be honest) ?
keep the imperial jedi population down
- Do you beleive its fair that jedi are the only profession in the game that loses something upon (BH) death ?
yes it is becourse it is yoru own choice and jedi is a risky prof and you get a alt char if it is not suited for you
- If they took away jedi XP loss would you hunt as many jedi as you do now ?
yes i would it disturb there grind or what ever they do
- If XP loss remains do you beleive BHs should be punished for losses or consecutive losses ?
mayby BH should be punished but how i have no idea
So many things that are just not right with this:
FOR ONE, nobody can control the unlocking process, so while people think or say "I am controling the Jedi population".. You are a WRONG... you have 0 control over the unlocking method, you cannot attack a guy in the village, you cannot stop his XP gain, you cannot TOUCH HIM UNTIL HE HAS A FREAKING PINK FORCE BAR!
SO with all that is said, the only people that actully control the Jedi populas is THE DEVS, NOT BH's!!!!
Now then, sure they can curb your growth as a Jedi but the term "Controling the Population" is stupid and false.
A few more things:
THE JEDI GRIND ISAS EASY AS WALKING INTO A GURK GROUP AND IN LESS THEN 4 WEEKS YOUR DONE...at avg grind session time.
No buffs needed, No xp loss on Death, No decay actully with as many ADKs out there, no risk with crafting sabers, no risk of 20 BHs at once and odds are now greater of no griefing, group GRINDING WITH NO RISK??? you can have freaking 5 docs and nothing is different in your visibility, NOW there is actully planets you cant be tracked on.. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT??? You can go somewhere and NOT be tracked -- yes I know how much safer can you get..BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!!! You don't lose skill boxes, you don't lose your entire toon, you don't lose time (in travel of 10 min starports and buffs), You don't even have to get BF healed.
The only thing that you have lost... and I know becaus I am a Old Jedi, is the respect. For the most part we are mere shadows and jokes... we all know it, dont want to say it... maybe but we are. There is level 80 quenkers in the game that can damn near take out a Jedi now... I mean this is what we are now.. I understand , I know why, I can even grasp the reasons , however I can also say Im dissapointed at how this has all gone down... it has become a joke and almost sad to see in some ways.
One thing this comes down to is this: Risk vs Reward.... There is neither now so with that said, make Jedi a starting prof and call it a day at this point is my thoughts. We are nothing more then a Elite prof with some magic... thats about it anymore.
Message Edited by iskareot on 09-07-2005 09:51 AM