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Thread: How Can You Call This Balance
Jacella wrote:
awentwor wrote:
Jedi PvP doesn't really matter against a BH that can heal himself for 1500+ damage every other second. As a Jedi... you can't win against that. The BH can apply fire, poison, disease and then just sit back healing himself till you are out of force from healing. There's no tactics in it, and there's nothing the Jedi can do other than hope he can disrupt the constant healing of the BH with a well placed (and lucky) KD or something.
Jacella wrote:
Honest answer? Because you aren't very good at jedi pvp.
Then how do I win? Am I some kind of freak that has a 22+ and 2 record? If you count only from when I was a half template, then that record is 22 - 0 - 0.
My saber isn't uber, and I don't use any foods spices that everyone else does. Why can I beat every BH that comes for me (often 2 vs 1) and you can't?
I'm not a pvp goddess, but I understand my jedi's template and designed it around my own style and tactics, as ooposed to some FOTM.
Well... to follow your pointless and condonsending tone... maybe those BH's didn't know what they were doing.
BTW... your record doesn't impress me in the least. I too have not lost to a BH since the CU hit. But if I BH wants too... they do not *need* to continually attack you. All they need to do is hit you with their CM abilities and then just kite waiting for you to run out of force.
The point you are missing is that there is nothing in regards to *Jedi PvP Tactics* in beating a BH. The only chance Jedi have is by outdamaging a BH's healing ability. Not all BH's are MBH / MCM templates... but more and more are switching to it.
Getting hit with paralyze, thyroid rupture, fire, poison, disease and then kiting you for the rest of the fight is not fun in the least. Unless you have the template to counter these... the fight is going to be a draw at best unless the Jedi gets lucky.
The fact that you are 22-2 just leads me to believe that you are fighting a lot of token BH's that don't know their entire template yet.
Jacella wrote:
My template:
MLS/Enhancer 3002/ Defender 4440/ Healer 4000 (aka the new FOTM, but I designed it before it weas popular)
God and I didn't know that was the new fotm ...
Jacella wrote:
This is why some people who have less than a perfect saber die..because they believe that there aren't any tactics.
Ok... I see the type of person I'm dealing with now... so I'll simplify it for you.
If you cannot outdamage your opponent's ability to heal, there are no tactics you can do to defeat them unless those tactics involve you escaping. You can root them, KD them, cloak and attack, etc... but if the amount of inflicted damage < amount of healed damage... there is no way to win.
My problem specifically is with your attitude that if a Jedi loses in a fight... they must not know what they are doing. Instead of being constructive... you bash the person in this thread (which is a large problem with a lot of Jedi I see).
I do not lose to BH's in fights... in fact I find it pretty easy to defeat them. Guess that's the difference between Jedi like you and I. I'd rather point out some fundamental problems with the current system rather than pointing the finger while saying "you must suck".
awentwor wrote:
Jacella wrote:
This is why some people who have less than a perfect saber die..because they believe that there aren't any tactics.
Ok... I see the type of person I'm dealing with now... so I'll simplify it for you.
If you cannot outdamage your opponent's ability to heal, there are no tactics you can do to defeat them unless those tactics involve you escaping. You can root them, KD them, cloak and attack, etc... but if the amount of inflicted damage < amount of healed damage... there is no way to win.
My problem specifically is with your attitude that if a Jedi loses in a fight... they must not know what they are doing. Instead of being constructive... you bash the person in this thread (which is a large problem with a lot of Jedi I see).
I do not lose to BH's in fights... in fact I find it pretty easy to defeat them. Guess that's the difference between Jedi like you and I. I'd rather point out some fundamental problems with the current system rather than pointing the finger while saying "you must suck".
halo1973 wrote:
This is my theory and it never made any since to me at all. How can a Jedi solo an Enraged Kimogila or Necrosis with 45-60K ham, but a BH with 4k ham can come up and wipe the floor with a Jedi. Where the hell is the balance in that. Dev's whatever you guys or smoking or drinking I would sure like to know what the hell is.
I have higher resolutions than you on my laptop.
Ialwysdie wrote:
OMG these retarded people and making the dang posts go halfway off the screen.
I love my 1024X768 resolution.
Let's try to keep the posts normal so we don't have to scroll up and down and left to right.
felipz wrote:
awentwor wrote:
Jacella wrote:
This is why some people who have less than a perfect saber die..because they believe that there aren't any tactics.
Ok... I see the type of person I'm dealing with now... so I'll simplify it for you.
If you cannot outdamage your opponent's ability to heal, there are no tactics you can do to defeat them unless those tactics involve you escaping. You can root them, KD them, cloak and attack, etc... but if the amount of inflicted damage < amount of healed damage... there is no way to win.
My problem specifically is with your attitude that if a Jedi loses in a fight... they must not know what they are doing. Instead of being constructive... you bash the person in this thread (which is a large problem with a lot of Jedi I see).
I do not lose to BH's in fights... in fact I find it pretty easy to defeat them. Guess that's the difference between Jedi like you and I. I'd rather point out some fundamental problems with the current system rather than pointing the finger while saying "you must suck".
Well depends on the template ... I have choke / fr1 / root / snare / improved saber throw / armor break / improved headhit. area kd + choke on ranged people will hit for about 980 and will tick for 490 so pretty much with this template you can put them in a healing loop until they run out of mind. But that's against cm, doc is another thing though.
Yeah... that choke is pretty sweet againt BH's... but then you are giving up a lot if you fight against other Jedi. Any Master Defender will just shrug off choke and come right back at you.
I don't buy into that 1.5x stronger bit... but certain templates will destroy BH's while other templates lose to them more times than winning.
Let's just say that those post-CU jedi with only a 500 mdps saber with a 100 SAC and 25 FC... I feel for ya. Just give up the saber for Mpowers if you want to destroy BH's.
Jacella wrote:
My template:
MLS/Enhancer 3002/ Defender 4440/ Healer 4000 (aka the new FOTM, but I designed it before it weas popular)
YOU designed it?
LMAO