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Actually I can live with the Heal thing.

If they want to make it so cloak is an escape tool then you shouldnt be able to channel while cloaked either, but the snare?

So if I am snared, what do I need cloak for? Basically already I am thinking how would I escape?

I would need to root BH FR2 to a safe distance, /cloak which will prevent BH from attacking me. He wont be able to area me becuase I'll run to a spot with little or no agro. But all he needs to do is /follow Jedi and simply run the Force bar down.

I agree with all the other tings becuase I only use cloak as an escape tool, but I do NOT agree with the snare for Jedi.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

If your cloaked, Who cares if you are snared, You shouldnt be able to attack or be attacked when cloaked, What is the dam problem here??? Oh i see, Now you can't walk into a base and shut it down while cloaked, Or travel while cloaked, Or attack while cloaked, heal an overt while cloaked....Shall I go on??????? In other words you can't do somthing now with out having a consquence.

So once again how is cloak now NOT an escape route as you claim it to be, DId they make it so you can't cloak while being atack, make the range longer???

Idon't get some of you people.

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RTFP Junior, the idiot BH can drag a buddy along, duel and just AOE you to death. You can't heal, you can't run.

Now go pretend to read someone else's post in the BH forum.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

If your cloaked, Who cares if you are snared, You shouldnt be able to attack or be attacked when cloaked, What is the dam problem here??? Oh i see, Now you can't walk into a base and shut it down while cloaked, Or travel while cloaked, Or attack while cloaked, heal an overt while cloaked....Shall I go on??????? In other words you can't do somthing now with out having a consquence.

So once again how is cloak now NOT an escape route as you claim it to be, DId they make it so you can't cloak while being atack, make the range longer???

Idon't get some of you people.

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EvilAztec wrote:

RTFP Junior, the idiot BH can drag a buddy along, duel and just AOE you to death. You can't heal, you can't run.

Now go pretend to read someone else's post in the BH forum.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

If your cloaked, Who cares if you are snared, You shouldnt be able to attack or be attacked when cloaked, What is the dam problem here??? Oh i see, Now you can't walk into a base and shut it down while cloaked, Or travel while cloaked, Or attack while cloaked, heal an overt while cloaked....Shall I go on??????? In other words you can't do somthing now with out having a consquence.

So once again how is cloak now NOT an escape route as you claim it to be, DId they make it so you can't cloak while being atack, make the range longer???

Idon't get some of you people.

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I'm not even supposed to get aggroed now, much less take damage. Still happens. If Bounty droids update, well I'm as good as dead anyway since they can just follow you till you run out of force. People can still run a /invite macro to get your location regardless of auto deny and being cloaked. So they literally can find you no matter what.

You also didn't read in the post about how the only two items I didn't agree with were the last two. Now go pretend you have two braincells someplace else.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

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EvilAztec wrote:

RTFP Junior, the idiot BH can drag a buddy along, duel and just AOE you to death. You can't heal, you can't run.

Now go pretend to read someone else's post in the BH forum.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

If your cloaked, Who cares if you are snared, You shouldnt be able to attack or be attacked when cloaked, What is the dam problem here??? Oh i see, Now you can't walk into a base and shut it down while cloaked, Or travel while cloaked, Or attack while cloaked, heal an overt while cloaked....Shall I go on??????? In other words you can't do somthing now with out having a consquence.

So once again how is cloak now NOT an escape route as you claim it to be, DId they make it so you can't cloak while being atack, make the range longer???

Idon't get some of you people.

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lol junior......I'm not even going to bother with you, Did you not see what I said about how you shouldnt be able to be attacked while cloaked, that includes area attacks, put all your bitching effort into getting area attacks from PC's not being able to damage you aduh!!

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EvilAztec wrote:

Unfortunately his point stated those six rules applied to all. Also, if it doesn't, then s/he can come on the bloody boards and state what will and what will not affect each profession... Then they should probably learn that too little information is more dangerous than too much.

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Big-Rug wrote:

The point made by Helios, is that these are some of the common rulesets that have been reworked to cover the stealth system for SWG. However, not all of the rules will apply to every profession in every situation. For example, Rifleman using cover to stealth will still be able to attack from a stealthed state. Camo'd rangers with have a root applied to them, but will be able to move stealthed by investing in the 0004 tree.

I think it is likely cloak will not have a snare applied to it as it is a mind trick, not a jedi being tip-toe sneaky sneaky. My point is this: The rules will be applied on a case by case system.. not universally applied; and secondly to stop jumping the gun and jumping to conclusions.. crying nerf and whining even before a system hits test centre.

Regards,

BR

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/agreed. Blixtev says on the next page that cloak was never intended to work the way it does now, and they just decided to include it into the new ranger system since Helios had to mess with that part of the code anyway. So they're taking the opportunity to fix what they see as "issues" with cloak.

That includes Healing while cloaked, And a snare being placed on the cloaker.

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Grunzer wrote:

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EvilAztec wrote:

Unfortunately his point stated those six rules applied to all. Also, if it doesn't, then s/he can come on the bloody boards and state what will and what will not affect each profession... Then they should probably learn that too little information is more dangerous than too much.

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Big-Rug wrote:

The point made by Helios, is that these are some of the common rulesets that have been reworked to cover the stealth system for SWG. However, not all of the rules will apply to every profession in every situation. For example, Rifleman using cover to stealth will still be able to attack from a stealthed state. Camo'd rangers with have a root applied to them, but will be able to move stealthed by investing in the 0004 tree.

I think it is likely cloak will not have a snare applied to it as it is a mind trick, not a jedi being tip-toe sneaky sneaky. My point is this: The rules will be applied on a case by case system.. not universally applied; and secondly to stop jumping the gun and jumping to conclusions.. crying nerf and whining even before a system hits test centre.

Regards,

BR

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/agreed. Blixtev says on the next page that cloak was never intended to work the way it does now, and they just decided to include it into the new ranger system since Helios had to mess with that part of the code anyway. So they're taking the opportunity to fix what they see as "issues" with cloak.

That includes Healing while cloaked, And a snare being placed on the cloaker.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

If your cloaked, Who cares if you are snared, You shouldn't be able to attack or be attacked when cloaked, What is the dam problem here??? Oh i see, Now you can't walk into a base and shut it down while cloaked, Or travel while cloaked, Or attack while cloaked, heal an overt while cloaked....Shall I go on??????? In other words you can't do something now with out having a consequence.

So once again how is cloak now NOT an escape route as you claim it to be, DId they make it so you can't cloak while being attack, make the range longer???

Idon't get some of you people.

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<loud buzzer> -- wrong answer.

I, like the other powers types I'm seeing post here, actually know how cloak works in relation to escaping. A root and/or snare will negate that entirely -- absolutely negate it. The BH won't even need a droid or follow command -- they can just continue using their tracking droids to follow you around and drain your force pool. This is just sickening. Are you people to stupid to realize what all the nerf requests are doing to this game??? They are apparently the ONLY requests that the developers pay any attention to. It's like there is a profession titled : "nerf hunters." 'The master box in nerf hunting grants to power to instantly remove one skill from the profession of the hunter's choice.'

As for the developers -- I don't get them either. It's like there are complaints that are valid about a skill .. cloaking since we are talking about that in this thread. Ok .. healing others while cloaked? I can see fixing that one though I think healing yourself should be valid conceptually. Loot farming? Ok, cut it -- same with pulling aggros. Fine. But instead of going in and tweaking a skill or just fixing bugs -- if that is what they are instead of the skill being used as intended -- they NEVER DO THAT. They just say ... ok .. that one wasn't perfect or that one is getting complaints to tweak it or fix a couple bugs. Hmm....if we fix a bug isn't that like admitted we allowed a bug? Oh, I know .. better idea. .. let's just change it to a new skill entirely. Then we don't have to admit it was broke in the first place, and we can reset the nerf clock and go on to something else before we have to come back and change it around entirely again in a couple months!

very frustrated Kiti

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EvilAztec wrote:

I'm not even supposed to get aggroed now, much less take damage. Still happens. If Bounty droids update, well I'm as good as dead anyway since they can just follow you till you run out of force. People can still run a /invite macro to get your location regardless of auto deny and being cloaked. So they literally can find you no matter what.

You also didn't read in the post about how the only two items I didn't agree with were the last two. Now go pretend you have two braincells someplace else.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

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EvilAztec wrote:

RTFP Junior, the idiot BH can drag a buddy along, duel and just AOE you to death. You can't heal, you can't run.

Now go pretend to read someone else's post in the BH forum.

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Divine-Shadow wrote:

If your cloaked, Who cares if you are snared, You shouldnt be able to attack or be attacked when cloaked, What is the dam problem here??? Oh i see, Now you can't walk into a base and shut it down while cloaked, Or travel while cloaked, Or attack while cloaked, heal an overt while cloaked....Shall I go on??????? In other words you can't do somthing now with out having a consquence.

So once again how is cloak now NOT an escape route as you claim it to be, DId they make it so you can't cloak while being atack, make the range longer???

Idon't get some of you people.

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lol junior......I'm not even going to bother with you, Did you not see what I said about how you shouldnt be able to be attacked while cloaked, that includes area attacks, put all your bitching effort into getting area attacks from PC's not being able to damage you aduh!!

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EvilAztec wrote:

Read the post junior. I don't care about not being able to heal others (only myself) nor am I a loot **edit** and did not agree with the DWB looters.

RTFP before you reply Junior.

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Atz_Breh wrote:

OMG cry harder...

now cloak will work like intended...

cloak never was intended for looting or healing stuff....

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Well it was the dwb looters, cloakers that would shut of faction terms etc. that caused this

I suggest you jump on TC as soon as this hits so you can see what affect it truly has on cloak. Like the other poster has. It's obvious beciase of rifleman cover that not all would apply to all professions.

The dev's have stated that cloak wasn meant to be a first strike tool and ont an escape tool, howvever the snare lind of negates that also

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Calel_Haven wrote:

As I said in another post about this:

If they nerf cloak to something completely different, then I will expect Jedi with the cloak skill to have a respec. I wasted enough of my life grinding Jedi in the first place and I have no intention of wasting more of my life re-grinding after a SOE nerf. I will have no problems with a nerf to my precious cloak so long as they allow us to chose a different template without a grind.

If they dont give a respec, this will be the straw that broke the camels back for me and I will without a doubt cancel my subscriotion(s).

My suspicion is they will make cloak break like the current rifleman skill which will be completely useless for a Jedi without Mdef.

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