Jedi Archive

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MsNiL wrote:

While I believe your post to be a bit silly (could have been more professional),Iguess you are right that the frs should go from initiate upward. You should ofcourse pick your side before you start your template, and apvp player should be able to build itup throughout pvp. Maybe the light gains experience through healing people in combat where they are up against other players... i dunno. fits dark jedi at least.

Doesnt change my opinion about pve jedi though. Should still be a playstyle choice, and not locked either way.

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and that's my counter point to the other post.

We the pvp'ers don't have it our way.the truth of the matter is more like the other post there are two systems and should be two styles.

Now I don't believe by choosing the light side I should be forced to a healer playstyle.

If I want to be a Light side "combatant" and hunt dark jedi then why not ?

silly and professional,

well I refrained from slandering an entire gender and age group for the actions of a few.

I'd consider that more professional.

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GiladSunitek wrote:

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GiladSunitek wrote:

I'm confused, other players play mokks and janta's ? That's pve not pvp. again don't try and twist the facts. No, Grind on Mokk and Janta and get plent of BH attention. Then you get your XP and PVP.

Well there you go proving my point. I am forced to "grind" (odd choice for a supossed roleplayer) on npc's!

Ok so let me ask you this. How much Jedi experience are you getting frm your BH encounters? ROFL !!

In this game other players fight other players for gee player versus player combat ( hence pvp)not "non player characters" ( hence npc) and Jedi Padawans do "Jedi Knight trials" in the hopes of completing those trials to become a Jedi Knight. Since when was SWG all about PVP and not about RPG which can be PVP or PVE? If it is the case that that is what it is all about then please create a new game genre for it called MMOSF or Massively Multiplayer Online Slaughter Fest... Oh wait isnt that what Jedi Knights Multiplayer was?

you're again misunderstanding.... that shows what real pvp and npc and pve means, not your idea of it.

Mokks and jantas are npc's not pvp

But irregardless of this and what the percentages are, the fact remains that the Jedi experience is made from PVE not from pvp.

You have your playstyle now(wrong, we dont want to have to kill 60 million quenkers for jedi, jedi should not be about killing), but we do not have ours.

You fail to adress that....^^^^^

Wait if you don't want to PVE for your xp and we don't want to pve for ours then you're helping our cause, thank -you !

You do have pve. Are you not getting missions off of the terminals that are orchestrated by some dignataries of the universe?

Gee every missionI run has an roleplay aspect to it.

Maybe I could teach you some of the ways to roleplay this into ypour ummm gamestyle !

So in all fairness with the other posts wanting their playstyle then why should we be denied ours?

Read the source material that covers Jedi and realise that SOE's vision of what Jedi should be is purely there for teh 1337 UB3R 64M3R5 and not for the general populace. Now most of the aforementioned group of gamers do not roleplay at all and even give themselves stupid names that distract others from roleplaying in SWG. Lets face it the RPG from this MMORPG died a long time ago when the 1337 speakers got here and brought the dismal idea of PVP to the foreground of the game.

You know what, I'll disagree again.

I don't need to read the source material. When I saw Star Wars it was the only Star Wars.

You could tell someone that you saw Star Wars and they didn't ask , " oh, what episode."

SOE's and Lucas Arts and George Lucas surely did not intend Jedi for that group you claim.

They surely intended it for the audience of the Star Wars stories and gamers.

The only thing that can kill rpg is the rpg'ers. If you stop it it dies. If you continue it, it lives.

If you're claiming there aren't many rpg'ers then that is an issue with not enough subscribers wanting to play that style. So then the majority would be the "other" sect and shouldn't the game be catered to the mass of subscribers and not the minority ?

You're rp mental capacity lacks if you let an odd name ruin your fun.

and I've seen roleplayers with stupid names too.

when the 1337 speakers got here and brought the dismal idea of PVP to the foreground of the game.

Sorry but pvp started when this game went live and with it being Star Wars and the timeline it was set in it was developed to have pvp action.

But did the original PVP have all the non-RP trash talking and 1337 templates? Yes but back them all of your personality types said they were all the Creature Handlers and that profession got nerfed down to Zoo keeper ! No it was far better back in the days when SWG was new, before the 1337 speakers got here, ban them all, let everyone have fun again, even PVP'ers.

Those aren't the ones that should be banned

Jedi are a pvp style hence their training <-- Just where did you pull this from? Light Jedi are the former protectors of peace, yes they are good in combat, but that should not be all there is to it if you choose Light Jedi. I would be willing to accept that Dark Jedi are Pure PVP with the FRS system used for levelling them being correct. So hows about splitting Jedi at Padawan and giving you the option of Light or Dark then, go Light and you have mostly PVE quests and get xp from healing as well as fighting(though much more xp than dark is required because of the quests) or go Dark and get xp based on the FRS system to level your skills. There you go a complete and true to Canon suggestion for how PVE can have PVE Jedi and PVP can have PVP Jedi, once you hit knight in either Light or Dark you could go into an improved FRS where you have the choice of going Spec Ops(if Light) or not if Dark. Is this not an idea you could even back?

Look I'm sorry if you're anon -wartype but you know sometimes you have to go to war to keep the peace and the Jedi Order knew this and that is why all Jedi were trained in the art of combat and that is why Jedi have Lightsabers ! Let me check in my old memory banks and see if Obi-Wan kept his saber in his belt and tried to pacify Darth Vader............

No, as a matter of fact Obi-Wan says " You're only a master of evil Darth"

and proceeds to strike first !!

So there you have it, one of the greatest Light side Jedi forcing Darth Vader to pvp ! *new* YES but, just how often did Obi get his saber out to fight another Jedi after all geonosians and SBD's are PVE correct? lets count what we know...

Darth Maul

Darth Tyranus

Anakin/Darth Vader

Jango Fett

The Bounty Hunter that worked with Jango whose nameI have forgotten.

Icount5 cases of effective PVP versus maybe 1000 cases of PVE in the same films. Feel free to check this with other Jedi in the movies, there are few situations in whicha PVP type action occurs compared to the amount of PVE. This counts Geonosians and SBD's as PVE content and Humans andPlayable races as PVP.

So what you're saying is all you types that are roleplayers and non pvp people don't have Dark Jedi ? *new*Most of the people I know are Light Jedi and Rebels so Yes, they dont have dark jedi.

You're all rebels ?

Now that idea forces players to certain playstyles just like the current system forces us to PVE !

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FSCSexplorer wrote:

Wow sure looks like a ton of PVP in EPIII ??

those poor Jedi surely didn't sign up for a PVP profession unknowingly !!!

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FSCSexplorer wrote:

Wow sure looks like a ton of PVP in EPIII ??

those poor Jedi surely didn't sign up for a PVP profession unknowingly !!!

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Damn, sure looks like education must be terrible where you come from, did you even read the bolded statements and the ones tagged *new*? I severely doubt it from this comeback. As far as Episode 3 containing lots of PVP well, Anakin/Vader, the Emperor, Tyranus and the new Sith guy that appears for a fleeting glimpse are the main PVP'ers and guess what? all are Dark Jedi or Sith, the Light Jedi are forced to fight them (to keep the peace)or die so my main point about dark jedi being pure PVP whilst light jedi should have the option is even more re-inforced. Now look at the PVE action in Episode 3 again take Droids and Geonosians to be PVE content again you will see far more events where these 2 are killed than where PVP occurs.

But anyway this thread started to get stupid just as soon as you started saying about Obi-wan being a PVP'er, he is a character from the films and does not feature in the game and you cannot play him.

If you want to improve the PVP experience of Jedi then instead of trying to make a point that Jedi should onlybe PVP produce ideas for how that can be achieved and work with Jemy on creating a 2-standard system where both camps enjoy what they want rather than bickering and squabbling on forums. Provide decent and thought through ideas, if you wantI will help you refine them and work out a way in which the PVP and PVE communities can bothget what they want from Jedi without fighting over it so much.

If you really wantI will start you off.

Jedi should get XP from PVP through use of dueling arenas, XP is awarded on Incap for Light Jedi and DB for Dark Jedi.

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fouchin wrote:

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FSCSexplorer wrote:

Why as a person who enjoys playing my Jedi characters in a pvp playstyle be forced to pve to gain experience that way?

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why the system is the way it isi will never know, light jedi kill mindlessly to advance in the skill trees even though its against what they are. dark jedi do not really start acting like dark jedi till after they are knight. the system needs to be changed all around, we need a jedi CURB, by someone that knows what jedi are. jemym has been rallying for a change to the system in a thread he created to free pve jedi from pvp. to free pvp jedi from pve makes perfect since and its understandable that a dark jedi would advance in this manner.

some folks would say that im wanting two different systems in the game, and im like well yeah, they are two different types of jedi, light and dark jedi are just like night and day!

Message Edited by fouchin on 03-10-2005 05:28 AM

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I am a light Jedi, I do not 'kill mindlessly.' I take missions to rid planets of dangerous animals that cause harm to little girls and smugglers. I am out making for a safer and better galaxy. I don't know what you are doing. I never attack anything that doesn't attack me first. If it is a yellow npc or yellow mob I won't touch it. I will not attack another player unless I am attacked first either. So I have no clue what you mean when you say that I kill mindlessly to advance in my skill trees. I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about andI think your position cleary shows your lack of imagination in the one aspect I've seen you constantly claim to be denied: Role Play.

Thanks for your unfounded generalizations, but maybe next time you can keep them to yourself. Thanks.

Message Edited by gforce73 on 03-11-2005 03:37 PM

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JemyM wrote:

I CANT BELIEVE I PROMOTED PVP-JEDI AND GOT ONE-STARED

Some guys are so screwed up they do not even read what people say before they 1-star anymore.

Message Edited by JemyM on 03-10-2005 05:07 PM

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Jemy likes stars.

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Jemy likes Jemy

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Vcardossk wrote:
Last i checked, with exception to droids and random critters at least 90% of the movies are pvp. I mean they are "real" people.

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GiladSunitek wrote:

Damn, sure looks like education must be terrible where you come from,

Wow, you just lost any respect I may have hadfor you. Thanks for making such a stupid personal attack on me.

But while we are on the subject of education I now wonder where the "forced pvp, free the pve Jedi" proponents are getting theirs since the facts show that Jedi until Knight level is forced pve.

Can that be disproven ????

But anyway this thread started to get stupid just as soon as you started saying about Obi-wan being a PVP'er, he is a character from the films and does not feature in the game and you cannot play him.

Oh wait, my thread based onirrefutable facts of the gameis stupid, while the other thread based on pure emotions and reference to the movies and books isn't ?

If you want to improve the PVP experience of Jedi then instead of trying to make a point that Jedi should onlybe PVP

Where did I ever say make Jedi only pvp? I am fighting for the fairness to stop the forced PVE.

I did state that I pvp, pve and RP my Jedi.

Unlike the other post that wants to make Jedi the way they want to play I just asked for the equal opportunity for all types of playstyles.

rather than bickering and squabbling on forums.

What ? where's my slander and stereotyping of an entire gender and age group , like Jemy posted?

Where's my personal attack on your education ? up until this post !

Provide decent and thought through ideas, if you wantI will help you refine them and work out a way in which the PVP and PVE communities can bothget what they want from Jedi without fighting over it so much.

If you really wantI will start you off.

Jedi should get XP from PVP through use of dueling arenas, XP is awarded on Incap for Light Jedi and DB for Dark Jedi.

Umm thanks but for a person who started a business concept and then franchised that concept and then sold that business and retired at the age of 28 on my crappy education I'm darn sure I can figure it out myself !

Off the top you're idea is wrong as now pvp Jedi are yet again "forced" to fight in arenas to gain experience.

Why can't my Jedi be like the real Jedi and go through their daily lives and earn experience from all aspects of it.

Example,

I'm out checking into a mission a received from a local group of helpless moisture farmers about some rampant womp rats. My force powers just aren't working on them so I decide I must extinguish the lair.

While doing so a group of troublesome Corellians decide I'm a lone Jedi and an easy mark.

They engage me in battle and I slayall 4 of them.

After giving the helpless moisture farmers theresources from the creatures and politely refusing some roasted rat meat I head back to my Master.

Upon relaying the events of my trip and letting my master know that that portion of therebellions water supply is safe for now why should he not reward and acknowledge all that I had done on that expedition instead of just the portion where I extinguished the womp rats, such as the forced pve Jedi playstyle is now ?????????????????

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