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Thread: msaber nerfed, mheal nerfed, mdef nerfed, mpowers nerfed, menh? NEXT
MsNiL
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:17 pm
#14
Oh... enhancer have so many good moves that I am all warm... I mean, with Master Enhancer you can Stasis and ForceRun from any bounty hunter. Any Jedi as well. And any creature. And that's what you will do every time becouse your template suck up a tremendous amount of force for nothingwhile doing zero damage. In pvp everybody will fight about who breaks your stasis first...
Skwall wrote:
Right, because Defender or Wielder were good pre-CU right???
Not to mention that Enhancer has the most moves out of any tree I believe, other than lightsaber but then again you only use 4-5 moves at most from there.
Defender has 4 moves, Taunt (worthless), AI (meh), Valor (meh), Aura (great but easily dabbled). And if you've forgotten Aura was also nerfed leaving 1 useless move and Valor.
Weilder, well lets not talk about wielder....
AI gives +50 static innate armor, +235 melee defense, +215 ranged defense and +65 state defense, and you almost doesnt waste any force at all as long as you do not bother about A.I. A.I let you defeat almost every foe in the game if you can take them out in 2,5min.
You can buy everything an Enhancer has to offer for 3402.0002 used to be good, but now it's just for lazy people that dont want to wait for regen.3000 got nerfed, and 0400 is not needed if you havea good amount of defender.A friend have MLS/MDef/4000 Healer/2000 Enhancer and that contains 3 of Enhancer's best powers. Is that fair?
Duedroth
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:29 pm
#15
MsNiL wrote:Oh... enhancer have so many good moves that I am all warm... I mean, with Master Enhancer you can Stasis and ForceRun from any bounty hunter. Any Jedi as well. And any creature. And that's what you will do every time becouse your template suck up a tremendous amount of force for nothing while doing zero damage. In pvp everybody will fight about who breaks your stasis first...
Skwall wrote:
Right, because Defender or Wielder were good pre-CU right???Not to mention that Enhancer has the most moves out of any tree I believe, other than lightsaber but then again you only use 4-5 moves at most from there.Defender has 4 moves, Taunt (worthless), AI (meh), Valor (meh), Aura (great but easily dabbled). And if you've forgotten Aura was also nerfed leaving 1 useless move and Valor.Weilder, well lets not talk about wielder....
AI gives +50 static innate armor, +235 melee defense, +215 ranged defense and +65 state defense, and you almost doesnt waste any force at all as long as you do not bother about A.I. A.I let you defeat almost every foe in the game if you can take them out in 2,5min.You can buy everything an Enhancer has to offer for 3402. 0002 used to be good, but now it's just for lazy people that dont want to wait for regen. 3000 got nerfed, and 0400 is not needed if you have a good amount of defender. A friend have MLS/MDef/4000 Healer/2000 Enhancer and that contains 3 of Enhancer's best powers. Is that fair?
Other than the force drain on FA, which is worked around quite easily, I'd argue that MDEF isn't necessary at all if you've got x4xx Enhancer.
LandonRyuu
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:33 pm
#17
Is anything about being a Jedi fun or fair anymore? No.
Nov 1st is SoE's last chance to win me back.
littlefish666666
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:39 pm
#18
master saber will be better when they fix the speed buff but ench kind of is nerfed seeing as all you have to do is duel a friend to get out of statis
MsNiL
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:42 pm
#19
And I argue that manashield is not for tanking.
Duedroth wrote:
Other than the force drain on FA, which is worked around quite easily, I'd argue that MDEF isn't necessary at all if you've got x4xx Enhancer.
Without an exceptional saber to make up for it, you drain too much force to be of any use.
Duedroth
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:45 pm
#20
MsNiL wrote:And I argue that manashield is not for tanking.
Duedroth wrote:
Other than the force drain on FA, which is worked around quite easily, I'd argue that MDEF isn't necessary at all if you've got x4xx Enhancer.
Without an exceptional saber to make up for it, you drain too much force to be of any use.
for tanking, you're absolutely right. I'm not a tank, don't have that mindset. I see defenses as something to keep me alive during PvP and mitigate damage while I kill people, and I'm sorry that I bring those assumptions into template discussions.
iakoi
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:46 pm
#21
They should just totally nerf everything, and reduce pvp to who can stand against an opponent and win an insulting contests of some sort.....4th grade level stuff lol. We already have some of that, why not go all the way? LOL
Message Edited by iakoi on 09-22-2005 10:47 PM
Goarev
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:49 pm
#22
I just want fr3 to be fast again
Not for the escape but just to get from point A to point B fast. That's why i've been a enhancer since the second system started!
Not for the escape but just to get from point A to point B fast. That's why i've been a enhancer since the second system started!
TraceAntilles
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:49 pm
#23
You never know what they plan to nerf but the trend has been to do one skill at a time to limit the amount of people complaining each time.
Once they nerfed AI, people were almost happy cause then they didnt have to work to kill an MDEF. Now they are nerfing cloak so once again players don't have to think about how to beat them.
If they ever make a skill that weaker players can't get around, they will nerf that too. No more room for whining about nerfs cause we all know that everyone is susceptible if they use their skill to its max potential.
The funny thing is, as soon as they nerf a skill, players move onto another skill and find its potential and then weaker players cry nerf and the Dev's follow suit.
Moral of the story is that you CANNOT nerf human ingenuity, nerfing just brings it out into the light.
r4n93r
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:52 pm
#24
icutyou wrote:
I bet they'll add a snare to FR3...
omfg i love it...
i can see it now
Added snare to Force Run 3 so now it is slower than Force Run1 and mitigates all ur dmg! Hah take that menhs!
Alboin
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:14 am
#26
Do you remember how A.Skywalker and Order 66 nerfed us back then? that is the answer to your question.